@rich4eagle said:

He also brought in Andruzzi, Baxter, Shaffer, Washington, McGinest at way more money than their empty or half full tanks were worth.

He paid Cutch and Roye three times their worth

I got twenty five other blunders that Sewage made. He stank from the beginning by signing Dilfer and letting Henry go and compounded itazn right up to the end. GOOD RIDDANCE

Still.... Savage left it better than when he got it. You made some valid points but he did put some playmakers and pro bowlers on our team. Theres no changing that.

He flat out stated Butch screwed him over and he would take less money elsewhere as to not come back.

I can in no way, shape or form blame that one on Phil no matter how much I'd like to.

Baxter was a great pickup, just like LCB. Who knew BOTH would blow out their knees? That was fluke luck, again, can't blame Phil for that one.

Fisk was a waste, yes, and if Romeo and Phil had half a brain in the first place we would have ran the 4-3 for one season while we drafted guys to fit the 3-4 so we didn't overload on stopgap FAs, but we wanted a change and we wanted it NOW and we got what we were asking for now didn't we?

@cardiac-kid said:

Randy Lerner got Frye out of here...not Phil!

@cardiac-kid said:

He brought in Frye that was his personal choice. Quinn has proven nothing. Thomas was not worth the number three pick in the draft albeit he is good. Wimbley is average and one dimensional and has been exposed and his performance is way less than the 11 pick in the draft. Rogers will be gone in three years and he gave a solid CB and third rounder for him no great shakes there. Jamal Lewis is washed up caput. K2 was not brought in by Sewage he was brought in by Butch. Edwards was the 3 pick in the draft and has underachieved the three pick should perennial all pro. He kept Suggs and Green and paid a truckload to both proclaiming to emerge big time. He passed on Adrian Peterson, Willie Parker, and several other RB's to be named later to keep those stiffs.

He also brought in Andruzzi, Baxter, Shaffer, Washington, McGinest at way more money than their empty or half full tanks were worth.

He paid Cutch and Roye three times their worth

I got twenty five other blunders that Sewage made. He stank from the beginning by signing Dilfer and letting Henry go and compounded itazn right up to the end. GOOD RIDDANCE

You think it might have been to spit in Savage's face after his staff got thrown under the bus by him?

traded Winslow to the Eagles or whoever...

Sounds like Savage made the trade, and Crennel had no plans to play him.

More "not on the same page" ? He was on the field long enough to catch two passes,

and apparently, be a decoy. Either that, or DA wouldn't throw him the ball...

Both passes were for a first down.

Instead, they traded for Rucker and he made, for not playing much, zilch impact on the offense:

Yds TD

Rucker 17

League Average 224

League Leader 1058

Year Team ..... G Rec Yds Y/G Avg Lng YAC 1stD TD

2008 Cleveland 5 2 17 3.4 8.5 9 0.5 2 0

@inspecta said:

I think that sums it up. If you know you've been fired for behaving like an ass, why WOULD you want to talk about it? The fact that he can't find a diplomatic and self-effacing way to talk about it also demonstrates the same shortcomings that caused his other embarrassments. Maybe there was an ugly scene. I don't really care. The housecleaning that Randy Lerner did is one of the things that made sense to me.

@ytownbrownsbacker said:

Yes, in theory drafting a TE was a very good move, for the reasons you cited.

But I need to see it in practice. To see if the decision of who to draft was as good a decision as what to draft, if you get my drift.

@tobalaz said:

We had some injuries at TE and without a negotiating chip K2 would have had us bent over a barrel with no lube when it came to a holdout and contract negotiation. Rucker gave us the leverage to have Kellen come to camp and keep his contract.

Plus Rucker is another K2 type TE and with the wear to Kellen's knees we're going to need a replacement there anyways, so it wasn't a bad move because it was going to fill a future need and keep us from the negotiating table.

Rucker was a good move. K2 was chirping all last winter about a new contract. He worked out away from the team in miami. He asked to be traded before the trading deadline this year even before the whole staph thing. I think him and Savage have been butting heds for a long while. Rucker was suppose to be K2's wakeup call, but RAC never played him so we don't know if Rucker can play or not.

We had some injuries at TE and without a negotiating chip K2 would have had us bent over a barrel with no lube when it came to a holdout and contract negotiation. Rucker gave us the leverage to have Kellen come to camp and keep his contract.

Plus Rucker is another K2 type TE and with the wear to Kellen's knees we're going to need a replacement there anyways, so it wasn't a bad move because it was going to fill a future need and keep us from the negotiating table.

Of course, if it was for Rodgers, that is different.

He was still an arrogant little twit.

@geech said:

Bodden and a 5th got us Rogers.

-Al

After a deal fell through that sent Rogers to the Cincinnati Bengals for a third-round and fifth-round pick, the Lions rebounded by sending Rogers to Cleveland in exchange for a third-round choice and cornerback Leigh Bodden. Late Friday night, the Lions informed Rogers' agent, Kennard McGuire, that the trade with the Browns has been complete.

@riceloft said:

I thought the third rounder was part of the Rucker trade. That would explain why Dallas has our 3rd rounder...

Bodden and a 5th got us Rogers.

-Al

After reading rumblings about front office problems. it's no wonder Lerner cleaned house...

Very interesting that rumors are saying that Savage might be bashing Lerner. Trent Dilfer's little spat was directed primarily at Lerner as well.

@riceloft said:

What do you know...lol...When i hit the thread, your info popped up and i never saw the first post.

Weird .....I deleted.

SAVAGE TRASHING LERNER IN TAMPA?

Posted by Mike Florio on January 28, 2009, 11:08 p.m.

There was a buzz in Radio Row on Wednesday regarding the presence in Tampa of former Browns G.M. Phil Savage.

More specifically, there are rumors that Savage is bad-mouthing the man who fired Savage, Browns owner Randy Lerner.

Lerner fired Savage not long after the Browns concluded a disappointing 4-12 season, which featured a string of embarrassments involving Savage, including a public spat with tight end Kellen Winslow and the badly misguided decision to send an e-mail to a fan including a profane message.