Zombo said:

With Jacksonville's win last night they now have 4 wins, which probably puts them lower than the Browns now on the draft order.....assuming of course the Browns don't beat the Pats.

WSS

bastardo.

thing is with schaub is he'd be a better backup next year or a starter for us this year.

sad. sad. sad.

Zombo said:

That is a moot point, as I caught the end of the game. WTF happened to the Texans? Did Schaub suddenly forget how to play football, or is there something else there I missed?

Take BPA as it aligns with need at #24.

Take A.J. Johnson in the second.

Take BPA with the first third round pick.

Take Michael Dyer with the second third round pick.

BPA the rest.

@dab7291993 said:

There's a difference between trading up because you're scared someone's gonna take your guy, and going up and grabbing the best quarterback the draft has to offer.

When the best is only marginally better than the rest, why waste the draft picks to move up?

Maybe Houston sticks with Case Keenum if they can't get Bilgewater though?

Z

@westside-steve said:

Two words...

1. Warfield
2. Phipps

@alwardc4 said:

This looks like it could be quite interesting to me....if I could understand it. Example, you give this for the Browns:

Cleveland 93.10 2.02 94.11 92.09 30

What do these numbers mean?

Then you reorder the teams. Is that some kind of power rating....assuming that each team had like the same QB playing for them..or what?

@the-gipper said:

I apologize if it wasn't clear that I was being somewhat facetious. But since you asked...

I took those from vegas insider. Not a bad list to use.

Put a lousy QB on each team and would get something like this

1. Cincinnati

2. Seattle

3. Arizona

4. San Fran

5. Houston

6. Carolina

7. Buffalo

8. Jets

9. Cleveland

10. KC

11. TB

12. Lions

13. St Louis

14. Minny

15. Tenn

16. Miami

17. Giants

18. Saints

19. Bears

20. Denver

21. New England

22. Baltimore

23. Oakland

24. Dallas

25. Philly

26. Pitt

27. Skins

28. GB

29. indy

30. Atl

31. SD

32. Jax

The second is hard to do. Basically, rank by Defense. Because who gives a crap if you have some nice WRs if you have a donkey throwing to them

@mike-h said:

PS-my choice in that exercise is sit @ #5 and take Carr.

@alwardc4 said:

Either give the house to move up for Bridgewater or take the next best QB with their first pick. Those are the only two reasonable moves.

We all know QB is the most important position. Miles ahead of the next most important. Heck, I'd rank the position importance as this...

1. QB

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2-12. The 11 defensive starters

Take a look at Indy, Pitt, Car, GB, etc. They are all average to below average at almost every offensive position EXCEPT QB. Denver loses a LT and C and don't miss a beat.

The Browns problem is they haven't drafted enough QBs over the last 15 years. If they drafted more QBs then odds are they would have a good one and thus, not suck.

This whole take a guy to sit behind Hoyer is idiotic talk.

Try this exercise.

1. Rate the teams in the NFL right now.

2. Rate the teams in the NFL right now minus the QB (pretend the starting QB is replaced by a total scrub).

2 reallllly different lists.

We look forward to your analysis after you have completed the exercise you suggest.

We all know QB is the most important position. Miles ahead of the next most important. Heck, I'd rank the position importance as this...

1. QB

.

.

.

.

2-12. The 11 defensive starters

Take a look at Indy, Pitt, Car, GB, etc. They are all average to below average at almost every offensive position EXCEPT QB. Denver loses a LT and C and don't miss a beat.

The Browns problem is they haven't drafted enough QBs over the last 15 years. If they drafted more QBs then odds are they would have a good one and thus, not suck.

This whole take a guy to sit behind Hoyer is idiotic talk.

Try this exercise.

1. Rate the teams in the NFL right now.

2. Rate the teams in the NFL right now minus the QB (pretend the starting QB is replaced by a total scrub).

2 reallllly different lists.

Also passing up a quarterback this year and waiting for Mariota to come out is a little risky. Why? For the mere fact that if we are able to get the number one pick next year then it's been another stinkball of a season and if you know how Cleveland Browns football works the entire coaching staff and half the team will be gone.

If in fact everyone is completely enamored with the second rated prospect in a weak quarterback draft this year....

WSS

@hoorta said:

1) Would it really require two #1's and Gordon to move up and take Bridgewater? I don't think it will. I'll play GM here. I trade both #1 picks and one of the third-round picks if it means I can take Bridgewater. If the team in the #1 slot asks for more than that I say no thanks (unless the more they ask for is a token pick). I would not give up Josh Gordon for anything.

2) This is determined by whether or not the trade above occurs. If the trade doesn't happen, I take Carr here.

3) Hundley is no longer an option.

I really think the Browns are one player away from relevancy, and that player is QB. Look at every team at the top of their division. They have played the same QB for the entire year, regardless of how elite the QB is. Look at every team at the bottom of their division. All but two have started multiple QBs throughout the season. QB is the most important position in all of team sports.

After QB, the Browns need to drive WR, OL, RB in that order, depending also on what they manage to do in free agency.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2014/all

@miktoxic said:

Not saying it's the ideal draft, but that if it went down like that I'd probably be ok. We need an ILB who's not a liability in coverage, and an OLB for rotation - as much as Groves is nice, he's just way too injured. A DB as well would be nice, but I'm not so worried about that. On the O side, though, we need a QB, WR, RB, OG, possibly an RT, all to come in as starters. serviceable RB and OG can be found in third round, and if we stick with Hoyer that gives us two 1s and a 2 to get a WR, and OLB. You could also see it going something like this, which I'd not tear my hair out over.

1a. Barr, OLB

1b. Mike Evans, WR

2. Shane Skov, ILB

3a. Carlos Hyde, RB

3b. Gabe Jackson, G

4a. QB - pick your poison

4b Xavier Grimble, TE

@gftchris said:

watkins is legit but so are a lot of other receivers. i don't think he's as big or athletic as the kid from michigan who grabbed everything out of the sky last saturday and he might be available for us later on. we need some LB help that would eventually be a pass rusher. we need another CB, RB and maybe two OL. who knows who'll be there in round 3 or 4 as a QB but i'm willing to grab him as a chance and grab mariota in 2015, barring injury.

1a. Watkins

1b. Eric Ebron

2. Cyril Richardson

3a. Carlos Hyde

3b. QB - there should be some good qbs that fall to here, looking at needs.

4a. AJ Johnson

grab clowney (if he's there) and if you have to make a move for hundley or mccarron (or whoever else) then package a couple of later rounds picks to move up to where you are guaranteed to get the one you want with our second first rounder. no way do i trade gordon or trade both first round picks.

sacrilege.

@shep said:

You mean Andy Dalton is "great"? Hardly. I'm not ready to put Alex Smith in the HOF just yet either. It brings me to my real point.

Let's say we suck out and draft no worse than 5th. I'll let you be the GM. (I know what I'd do)

1) Do you trade both #1s and Gordon to move up to #1 and take Bridgewater?

2) Sit @ #5 and take Carr?

3) Hope Hundley falls to your second first rounder and draft Clowney?