<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Bortles]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Blake Bortles of Central Florida, per Todd McShay is the second best QB that would be available in the draft.   He  is backed up by Scouts Inc. that has him as the #14 overall top prospect....and moving up with a bullett.</p>

<p>Sorry, never heard of the guy.....but maybe we should start hearing more about him:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/os-ucf-blake-bortles-nfl-draft-20131204,0,4539304.post" rel="external nofollow">http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/os-ucf-blake-bortles-nfl-draft-20131204,0,4539304.post</a></p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/topic/27439/bortles</link><generator>RSS for Node</generator><lastBuildDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2026 05:35:49 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://brownsboard.com/topic/27439.rss" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><pubDate>Wed, 04 Dec 2013 16:32:59 GMT</pubDate><ttl>60</ttl><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Bortles on Sat, 04 Jan 2014 06:21:50 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/usfbrown" aria-label="Profile: usfbrown">@<bdi>usfbrown</bdi></a> <a href="/post/369944">said</a>:</p><p>He's definitely a big QB at 6'4" 230 lbs.  He does benefit from a good RB in Storm Johnson.  Haven't seen enough of him to comment on his accuracy and ball placement. </p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah he is a big mo-fo, what surprises me about him is how good he moves and runs. He's got some quicks for sure. I'm starting to like him more than any other QB coming out.</p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/376726</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/376726</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[slimdawg]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 04 Jan 2014 06:21:50 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Bortles on Sat, 04 Jan 2014 06:15:48 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/tim-couch-pulls-out" aria-label="Profile: tim-couch-pulls-out">@<bdi>tim-couch-pulls-out</bdi></a> <a href="/post/376344">said</a>:</p><div>
<p>I think we're on a crash course for Manziel. </p>

<p>Bortles had a bad first half but a strong second half showing against a team that was supposed to beat UCF by 17 points last night. He turned a team from nothing into something and beat teams they had no right beating (Baylor, South Carolina, Lousville, Penn State). He's a big bodied player with mobility and elusiveness (yes, they're different). That's why I wanted him, and that's why I still prefer him over Manziel.</p>

<p>I can see the advantages in both quarterbacks. I just can't see Manziel bouncing off a 340 lb man and then throwing a TD on Sundays.</p>
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<p>Manziel has the quickness and agility to avoid big hits, but not the judgement. Bortles has speed, but not sure about his quickness, i.e., acceleration, and agility.</p>

<p>Neither will bounce off of 340 pounders.</p>

<p>Does Bortles ever get under center?</p>

<blockquote><p><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/tim-couch-pulls-out" aria-label="Profile: tim-couch-pulls-out">@<bdi>tim-couch-pulls-out</bdi></a> <a href="/post/376435">said</a>:</p><div><p>My wishlist would be: 1.Hundley  2.Bortles  3.Manziel  4.Myself  5.Anyone else  6.Derek Carr</p></div></blockquote>

<p>Cool... I'm #5...</p>

<blockquote><p><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/calfoxwc" aria-label="Profile: calfoxwc">@<bdi>calfoxwc</bdi></a> <a href="/post/376510">said</a>:</p><div><p>After watching that bowl game, it seems that Petty and Bortles could both do well to stay in school another year.</p></div></blockquote>

<p>Petty really does not impress me.</p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/376724</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/376724</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tour2ma]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 04 Jan 2014 06:15:48 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Bortles on Fri, 03 Jan 2014 18:13:30 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/calfoxwc" aria-label="Profile: calfoxwc">@<bdi>calfoxwc</bdi></a> <a href="/post/376510">said</a>:</p><div>
<p>After watching that bowl game, it seems that Petty and Bortles could both</p>
<p>do well to stay in school another year.</p>

<p>But either could also learn behind Hoyer a season, unless the three Browns front office potato heads</p>
<p>trade Hoyer for a back up punter..... </p>
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<p>Lombardi would never. </p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/376519</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/376519</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Couch Pulls Out]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2014 18:13:30 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Bortles on Fri, 03 Jan 2014 17:43:14 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>After watching that bowl game, it seems that Petty and Bortles could both</p>
<p>do well to stay in school another year.</p>

<p>But either could also learn behind Hoyer a season, unless the three Browns front office potato heads</p>
<p>trade Hoyer for a back up punter..... </p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/376510</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/376510</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[calfoxwc]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2014 17:43:14 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Bortles on Fri, 03 Jan 2014 17:38:45 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/usfbrown" aria-label="Profile: usfbrown">@<bdi>usfbrown</bdi></a> <a href="/post/376496">said</a>:</p>

<p>I wouldn't say he took them from nothing.  3 of the last 4 years UCF has had 10+ wins and they beat Georgia without him (2010 i believe). </p>

<p>I agree that he's a big mobile QB.  Similar to Big Ben.  I also prefer him over Manziel.</p>
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<p>Georgia notwithstanding, they beat relative nobodies from 2008 until 2011, besting weak CUSA teams such as Houston, Rice and Tulane.</p>

<p>UCF had never beaten a Big 10 or Big 12 team until this year nor had they ever beaten a Top 10 team until they beat Louisville this year. This year marks the first BCS Bowl they've been to, where they beat a #6 ranked Baylor squad. They nearly beat a Top 5 South Carolina team, losing only by three after Bortles threw two fourth quarter touchdowns.</p>

<p>Their 2010 season was filled with pretty unspectacular victories, the only two big victories being the CUSA championship over #25 ranked SMU and then the Liberty Bowl victory over a weak #24 ranked Georgia.</p>

<p>They didn't come from nothing, I'll grant you that, but they were twice the team this year than they were any other year.</p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/376508</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/376508</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Couch Pulls Out]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2014 17:38:45 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Bortles on Fri, 03 Jan 2014 16:37:23 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/tim-couch-pulls-out" aria-label="Profile: tim-couch-pulls-out">@<bdi>tim-couch-pulls-out</bdi></a> <a href="/post/376344">said</a>:</p><div>
<p>I think we're on a crash course for Manziel. </p>

<p>Bortles had a bad first half but a strong second half showing against a team that was supposed to beat UCF by 17 points last night. </p>


<p>He turned a team from nothing into something and beat teams they had no right beating (Baylor, South Carolina, Lousville, Penn State). He's a big bodied player with mobility and elusiveness (yes, they're different). That's why I wanted him, and that's why I still prefer him over Manziel.</p>

<p>I can see the advantages in both quarterbacks. I just can't see Manziel bouncing off a 340 lb man and then throwing a TD on Sundays.</p>
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<p>I wouldn't say he took them from nothing.  3 of the last 4 years UCF has had 10+ wins and they beat Georgia without him (2010 i believe). </p>

<p>I agree that he's a big mobile QB.  Similar to Big Ben.  I also prefer him over Manziel.</p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/376496</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/376496</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[USFBrown]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2014 16:37:23 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Bortles on Fri, 03 Jan 2014 16:15:30 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/the-gipper" aria-label="Profile: the-gipper">@<bdi>the-gipper</bdi></a> <a href="/post/376487">said</a>:</p><p><span style="color:rgb(128,0,0)">Have you declared your eligibility for the draft?</span></p></blockquote>
<p>I'm testing the waters. I've inquired about my draft stock, want to see what round I'd get picked.</p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/376490</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/376490</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Couch Pulls Out]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2014 16:15:30 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Bortles on Fri, 03 Jan 2014 16:08:35 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/tim-couch-pulls-out" aria-label="Profile: tim-couch-pulls-out">@<bdi>tim-couch-pulls-out</bdi></a> <a href="/post/376435">said</a>:</p><div>


<p>I, too, am high on Hundley. </p>

<p>My wishlist would be:</p>

<p>1.Hundley</p>
<p>2.Bortles</p>
<p>3.Manziel</p>
<p>4.Myself</p>
<p>5.Anyone else</p>
<p>6.Derek Carr</p>

<p>I just don't see a Hundley or a Bortles in Cleveland if McDaniels were to take over. Further, the reports are that this FO is very high on Manziel, so I don't see a coach getting the job unless he was as well.</p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(128,0,0)">Have you declared your eligibility for the draft?</span></p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/376487</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/376487</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[The Gipper]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2014 16:08:35 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Bortles on Fri, 03 Jan 2014 04:34:44 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/tim-couch-pulls-out" aria-label="Profile: tim-couch-pulls-out">@<bdi>tim-couch-pulls-out</bdi></a> <a href="/post/376435">said</a>:</p><div>


<p>I, too, am high on Hundley. </p>

<p>My wishlist would be:</p>

<p>1.Hundley</p>
<p>2.Bortles</p>
<p>3.Manziel</p>
<p>4.Myself</p>
<p>5.Anyone else</p>
<p>6.Derek Carr</p>

<p>I just don't see a Hundley or a Bortles in Cleveland if McDaniels were to take over. Further, the reports are that this FO is very high on Manziel, so I don't see a coach getting the job unless he was as well.</p>
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<p>LMAO! I agree 100% with your top 6</p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/376437</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/376437</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[D Bone]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2014 04:34:44 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Bortles on Fri, 03 Jan 2014 04:30:10 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/d-bone" aria-label="Profile: d-bone">@<bdi>d-bone</bdi></a> <a href="/post/376431">said</a>:</p><div><p>I've seen every one of Hundley's games this year, and to me, with my limited knowledge of the other QBs, he looks like he might have the biggest upside because of his size, speed and overall athletic ability. I don't know if that will ever translate into a true NFL QB, but that can be said for all of them. </p></div></blockquote>


<p>I, too, am high on Hundley. </p>

<p>My wishlist would be:</p>

<p>1.Hundley</p>
<p>2.Bortles</p>
<p>3.Manziel</p>
<p>4.Myself</p>
<p>5.Anyone else</p>
<p>6.Derek Carr</p>

<p>I just don't see a Hundley or a Bortles in Cleveland if McDaniels were to take over. Further, the reports are that this FO is very high on Manziel, so I don't see a coach getting the job unless he was as well.</p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/376435</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/376435</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Couch Pulls Out]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2014 04:30:10 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Bortles on Fri, 03 Jan 2014 04:28:43 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>I like Hundleys potential a lot, has he declared? Last I heard he was expected to return to UCLA</p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/376434</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/376434</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[RoyceRolls]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2014 04:28:43 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Bortles on Fri, 03 Jan 2014 04:25:01 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>I've seen every one of Hundley's games this year, and to me, with my limited knowledge of the other QBs, he looks like he might have the biggest upside because of his size, speed and overall athletic ability. I don't know if that will ever translate into a true NFL QB, but that can be said for all of them. </p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/376431</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/376431</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[D Bone]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2014 04:25:01 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Bortles on Fri, 03 Jan 2014 04:21:46 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/topdawg31" aria-label="Profile: topdawg31">@<bdi>topdawg31</bdi></a> <a href="/post/376372">said</a>:</p><div><p>And to think people are projecting 195 lb Bridgewater as the #1 pick. </p></div></blockquote>

<p>Barring an unforeseen injury or underwhelming Combine performance, Bridgewater will more than likely be the first pick. Bridgewater at least has the frame to add more weight, being a full three inches taller than Johnny Manziel.</p>



<p>Neither are where you'd like, as far as stature and weight, but both have their qualities to like. The difference between Bridgewater and Manziel is that Bridgewater does little to put himself in danger, whereas Manziel will literally bounce off and jump over linemen in order to make a play. While that is an extremely redeeming quality, it can also lead to injury very quickly in the NFL.</p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/376429</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/376429</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Couch Pulls Out]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2014 04:21:46 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Bortles on Fri, 03 Jan 2014 04:00:33 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>I'd Draft his girl in the first round... <a href="http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/blake-bortles-girlfriend-lindsey-duke-bikini.jpg" rel="external nofollow">http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/blake-bortles-girlfriend-lindsey-duke-bikini.jpg</a></p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/376419</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/376419</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[C Town's Soldier]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2014 04:00:33 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Bortles on Fri, 03 Jan 2014 03:22:36 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Is it just me or does Teddy Twatwater not have a neck? Dude looks like his head is literally just sitting on his shoulders.</p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/376415</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/376415</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[The Cysko Kid]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2014 03:22:36 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Bortles on Fri, 03 Jan 2014 02:54:56 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Bortles seems like a dink and dunker all the way. The bulk of his yardage came from screens to Storm Johnson, not from throwing up field. He does look a lot like Big Ben in stature, but doubt he will play like him in the NFL.</p>

<p>Manziel will get broken in the NFL.</p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/376410</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/376410</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[SunDawg]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2014 02:54:56 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Bortles on Fri, 03 Jan 2014 00:01:23 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/tim-couch-pulls-out" aria-label="Profile: tim-couch-pulls-out">@<bdi>tim-couch-pulls-out</bdi></a> <a href="/post/376344">said</a>:</p><div>
<p>I think we're on a crash course for Manziel. </p>

<p>Bortles had a bad first half but a strong second half showing against a team that was supposed to beat UCF by 17 points last night. </p>


<p>He turned a team from nothing into something and beat teams they had no right beating (Baylor, South Carolina, Lousville, Penn State). He's a big bodied player with mobility and elusiveness (yes, they're different). That's why I wanted him, and that's why I still prefer him over Manziel.</p>

<p>I can see the advantages in both quarterbacks. I just can't see Manziel bouncing off a 340 lb man and then throwing a TD on Sundays.</p>
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<p>And to think people are projecting 195 lb Bridgewater as the #1 pick. </p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/376372</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/376372</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[TopDawg31]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2014 00:01:23 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Bortles on Thu, 02 Jan 2014 23:58:26 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/tim-couch-pulls-out" aria-label="Profile: tim-couch-pulls-out">@<bdi>tim-couch-pulls-out</bdi></a> <a href="/post/376344">said</a>:</p>

<p>I can see the advantages in both quarterbacks. I just can't see Manziel bouncing off a 340 lb man and then throwing a TD on Sundays.</p>
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<p>^this</p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/376369</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/376369</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[RoyceRolls]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 02 Jan 2014 23:58:26 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Bortles on Thu, 02 Jan 2014 22:30:23 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>I think we're on a crash course for Manziel. </p>

<p>Bortles had a bad first half but a strong second half showing against a team that was supposed to beat UCF by 17 points last night. </p>


<p>He turned a team from nothing into something and beat teams they had no right beating (Baylor, South Carolina, Lousville, Penn State). He's a big bodied player with mobility and elusiveness (yes, they're different). That's why I wanted him, and that's why I still prefer him over Manziel.</p>

<p>I can see the advantages in both quarterbacks. I just can't see Manziel bouncing off a 340 lb man and then throwing a TD on Sundays.</p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/376344</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/376344</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Couch Pulls Out]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 02 Jan 2014 22:30:23 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Bortles on Thu, 02 Jan 2014 22:24:47 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>In a late round, if Cook was there, I'd pick him up as a dev backup qb.</p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/376341</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/376341</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[calfoxwc]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 02 Jan 2014 22:24:47 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Bortles on Thu, 02 Jan 2014 21:36:07 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Bortles made some bad decisions and release is a tad slower than I like, but he also showed more speed and better fundamentals than I was expecting. Main thing is I am still not sure how much this whole read option bit distorts a QB's talent.</p>

<p>As for Cook.... ummmm... no...</p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/376315</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/376315</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tour2ma]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 02 Jan 2014 21:36:07 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Bortles on Thu, 02 Jan 2014 16:21:47 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Didn't see the game but doesn't sound good. A shame. Has size and decent speed, but of course gotta be accurate too.</p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/376245</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/376245</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[tml1138]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 02 Jan 2014 16:21:47 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Bortles on Thu, 02 Jan 2014 10:38:35 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><strong>crossed him off my list.</strong></p>

<p><strong>added cook from mich state to my list.</strong></p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/376192</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/376192</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[miktoxic]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 02 Jan 2014 10:38:35 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Bortles on Thu, 02 Jan 2014 07:15:13 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of Jake Locker with a slightly more accurate ball. I think his RB Storm Jobnson helps him create plays and play as well as he does.  His speed is his biggest upside but in the nfl everyone is playing fast. I think he's more of a product of his environment then an elite talent capable of performing at a high level in the NFL. . Don't get me wrong he can play in the NFL but is he just another Jake Locker?</p>]]></description><link>https://brownsboard.com/post/376181</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://brownsboard.com/post/376181</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Browns616]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 02 Jan 2014 07:15:13 GMT</pubDate></item></channel></rss>