@bbedward said:

Chris Owens is gone for the year so we're going to see a lot of him from here on out ... let's hope he rises to the occasion.

Zombo

@miktoxic said:

what's up with mcfadden?

is he hurt or he just can't make the cut to starter?

He played a few snaps last game.

The one pass that I saw thrown his way was high and probably uncatchable, but he was in good position and was fairly close to intercepting the ball.

I'd like to see more if him, kinda surprised we haven't yet.

@calfoxwc said:

I think Garoppolo may move up ahead of our 2nd 1st roun pick unless some issues come up. These guys move up and down so much, it's hard to really know what NFL teams may actually think of them.

@the-gipper said:

what's up with mcfadden?

is he hurt or he just can't make the cut to starter?

@gftchris said:

Ward & Mack will be unrestricted FAs, so we will re-sign one, and possible franchise the other... I could see re-signing Ward and tagging Mack for one year.

Robertson is also a FA, but he is a ERFA meaning we can offer him a veteran minimum and he can either accept it or retire...

The rest of our FAs can leave resulting in no additional holes on our roster b/c none of them are irreplaceable. Biggest one is maybe Lauvao, but not really concerned with him leaving as he needs upgraded anyway.

@calfoxwc said:

On the CB position, Leon McFadden is going to be thrown in there to see what kind of stones he has. If he does well perhaps we won't need that early round CB.

If the guy they want is Carr or Bridgewater, they'll pick their qb

with the first 1st rounder.

Otherwise, they will pick another position, and nab a

Garoppolo, for instance, with the second 1st rounder. I don't see them

waiting til their second pick. A couple of qb's may very well go there

at the top of the second. It's that kind of qb draft.

I haven't given much thought to ILB, but if Jackson gets banged up...

big trouble. So Gip mentioned a guy who is listed as a OLB... but played ILB...

that is serious food for thought.

Quality depth at other positions will, obviously, determine the draft to a point.

Yes, I feel like a knucklehead for talking the draft so soon. But it beats

whining about our pitiful qb/wr/cb situation.

BTW, Owens is hurt, if I remember correctiy. A cb is a must in the top three rounds, probabaly

the third. An OG is also a must, not considering FA. The 340 lb is a thought, if he can

move a lot quicker than Lauvao.

@the-gipper said:

Yep, Ward & Mack are FAs at the end of this year, along with some other scrubs. Since they were both draft picks, maybe they're ERFA? Not sure how that all works.

I'd like Derek Carr (1a) & Eric Ebron or Davonte Adams (1b)

(Or even better Jace Amaro or Marquise Lee if our Colts pick was a little higher than I'm thinking)

Does anyone know differently? I though both Mack and Ward were potentially up.

It would be hell to try to replace those guys in the draft with all the Browns other concerns.

@miktoxic said:

I think The Schwartz will be OK. He has had somewhat of a sophomore slump, but that position is one of the least of our worries. Obviously QB/RB/OG/ILB maybe WR are more priority.

@calfoxwc said:

not saying i hate the guy....maybe he'd be 2nd string to a REAL RT.

for the sake of discussion. Nobody is going to think this IS the list:

For that second first, with the players the Browns would want to pick.. gone,

they would "reach" for another player they know will be a great fit, and

the second round pick would probly also be from this list. Maybe.

26 Justin Gilbert CB 3 Oklahoma State Sr 6-0 200 1-2

28 Cedric Ogbuehi OT 5 Texas A&M rJr 6-5 300 1-2

29 Cyril Richardson OG 2 Baylor rSr 6-5 340 1-2

30 Travis Swanson C 1 Arkansas rSr 6-4 318 1-2

31 Jordan Matthews WR 5 Vanderbilt Sr 6-3 205 1-2

32 Hasean Clinton-DixInjured FS 1 Alabama Jr 6-1 208 1-2

33 Jason Verrett CB 4 TCU Sr 5-10 176 1-2

34 Austin Seferian-Jenkins TE 3 Washington Jr 6-6 276 1-2

35 Brandin Cooks WR 6 Oregon State Jr 5-10 186 1-2

37 Kyle Van Noy OLB 5 Brigham Young rSr 6-3 235 1-2

38 Antonio Richardson OT 6 Tennessee Jr 6-6 327 1-2

39 Zack Martin OG 3 Notre Dame rSr 6-4 308 1-2

41 Brett Hundley QB 4 UCLA rSo 6-3 222 1-2

42 Brandon Scherff OT 7 Iowa rJr 6-5 315 1-2

43 Ka'Deem Carey RB 2 Arizona Jr 5-10 207 2

44 Allen Robinson WR 7 Penn State Jr 6-3 210 2

45 Bradley Roby CB 5 Ohio State rJr 5-11 192 2

46 *Xavier Su'a-Filo OG 4 UCLA rJr 6-3 305 2

47 Ego Ferguson DT 4 LSU rJr 6-2 309 2

48 Melvin Gordon RB 1 Wisconsin rSo 6-1 207 2

49 Lamarcus Joyner CB 6 Florida State Sr 5-8 190 2

50 La'el Collins OT 8 LSU Jr 6-5 315 2

a Joe Thomas. He has the feet, and can get the strength. I wonder

if he has been playing banged up...

He has shoved back to the qb...but a -smart- qb would see the field, and make a decision,

and get rid of the ball. So, a bad qb will make the line look a lot worse than it is, relating

a bit to what Shep has said about it. Without Hoyer in there, that is the case, more than anything else. But Lauvao... he isn't agile enough to be a good pass defender, regardless of who the qb is.

@miktoxic said:

So, what, don't draft the best player available?

how has that worked out for them?

@the-gipper said:

BPA. If it ends up being a TE then fine, another receiver is something we're lacking. If it's a pass rusher, fine. If it's a tackle, fine.

@calfoxwc said:

The ones in red are where I wouldn't mind seeing them go, though I am not sure about the CB.

They have Shazier listed as an OLB....but he has played primarily inside all year long.

Manziel (NO !!!)...

and Devante Adams, wr.

Interesting to note, that the same site features an article about

the top 6 "destined to fail" players in the draft.

Manziel was #1. Seriously.