<![CDATA[Ranking the Browns QBs]]>In my trivia thread I listed all the Browns QBs in history that have started at least 5 games. I will re-list them here alphabetically. What you can do is to give your ranking of all these guys from first to last. Let's see what you come up with.:

Anderson,

Couch,

Danielson,

Dilfer,

Frye,

Garcia,

Graham,

Holcomb,

Kosar,

McCoy,

McDonald,

Nelsen,

Ninowski,

O'Connell,

Pagel,

Pederson,

Philcox,

Phipps,

Plum,

Quinn,

Ratterman,

Ryan,

Sipe,

Testaverde,

Tomczak,

Wallace,

Weeden

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@the-cysko-kid said:

Mark Sanchez took the jets tp the AFC championship twice. How do you think history will remember him?

Depends on what he does with the rest of his career. Nelsen's career is kind of the opposite of Sanchez. He started with the piss poor Pissburgh Steelers then came to the Browns and did well.

Some times, in fact, a bad team can drag a good QB down.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/370393https://brownsboard.com/post/370393Fri, 06 Dec 2013 22:36:23 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Ranking the Browns QBs on Fri, 06 Dec 2013 21:22:13 GMT]]>Mark Sanchez took the jets tp the AFC championship twice. How do you think history will remember him?

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@the-cysko-kid said:

Zombo just said he doesn't know Nelson either. So basically anyone who can't name the obscure late sixties browns quarterbacks that received no acclaim doesn't know dick? Not everyone has all day to sit around obsessing over the mediocre quarterbacks of yore.

No, he said that he didn't see Nelsen play.....he didn't say he didn't know about him.

As for mediocre? He took the Browns to what would be today 2 NFC Conference Championship games. So, if in the pantheon of all Browns QBs he is a mediocre one....then tell me about the 10-12 that have been better.

A Browns fan need not sit around obsessing about QB to know that in the team's entire history there have only be 4 QBs to take the team to a conference Championship game: Graham, Ryan, Nelsen and Kosar and that is it.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/370366https://brownsboard.com/post/370366Fri, 06 Dec 2013 20:10:56 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Ranking the Browns QBs on Fri, 06 Dec 2013 20:08:11 GMT]]>I know the names, I just never saw anyone before Nelson play. Didn't mean to be a dick or claim that someone didn't know dick, just sorry I never got to see dick Shiner play.

Zombo

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/370363https://brownsboard.com/post/370363Fri, 06 Dec 2013 20:08:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Ranking the Browns QBs on Fri, 06 Dec 2013 20:02:24 GMT]]>Zombo just said he doesn't know Nelson either. So basically anyone who can't name the obscure late sixties browns quarterbacks that received no acclaim doesn't know dick? Not everyone has all day to sit around obsessing over the mediocre quarterbacks of yore.

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@the-cysko-kid said:

I've never even heard of bill nelsen so what's that tell you?

That tells me you don't know dick about Browns history.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/370355https://brownsboard.com/post/370355Fri, 06 Dec 2013 19:23:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Ranking the Browns QBs on Fri, 06 Dec 2013 17:57:15 GMT]]>I did say that. I know the greats of course. There hasn't been too many.

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@the-cysko-kid said:

Sipe did in fact win the MVP. Whether that is warranted or not is above my pay grade. I was born the year of his only playoff appearance.

4,132 yards and 30 TDs in 1980 while leading a team to first place in a division that featured the two-time returning Super Bowl Champions and the two-time AFC runner-up Oilers .... yes it was warranted.

You can simply say that you don't know anything about the QBs before Kosar, that is an acceptable answer. I don't know anything before Nelson except what I have read about.

Zombo

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/370327https://brownsboard.com/post/370327Fri, 06 Dec 2013 17:02:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Ranking the Browns QBs on Fri, 06 Dec 2013 16:56:41 GMT]]>Sipe did in fact win the MVP. Whether that is warranted or not is above my pay grade. I was born the year of his only playoff appearance.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/370326https://brownsboard.com/post/370326Fri, 06 Dec 2013 16:56:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Ranking the Browns QBs on Fri, 06 Dec 2013 16:55:15 GMT]]>Sipe and couch had the same amount of success...none. although Gipper has informed me some guys I've never even heard of had more. I am now informed.

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@the-cysko-kid said:

5. Sipe/couch (tie)

Because we all remember that time that Tim Couch won the NFL MVP ...

Zombo

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/370324https://brownsboard.com/post/370324Fri, 06 Dec 2013 16:45:38 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Ranking the Browns QBs on Fri, 06 Dec 2013 16:07:54 GMT]]>I've never even heard of bill nelsen so what's that tell you?

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@the-cysko-kid said:

1 Graham

2.,Ryan

3. Kosar

4. Testeverde

5. Sipe/couch (tie)

No one else matters

Are you sure?:

Postseason victories by Browns starting QBs:

Otto Graham: 9

Bernie Kosar: 3

Bill Nelsen: 2

Frank Ryan: 1

Vinny Testaverde: 1

Brian Sipe: -0-

Postseason losses by Browns starting QBs:

Kosar: 4

Graham: 3

Nelsen: 3

Ryan: 2

Plum: 2

Phipps: 1

Testaverde: 1

Holcomb: 1

Sipe: 1

McDonald: 1

Pagel: 1

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/370315https://brownsboard.com/post/370315Fri, 06 Dec 2013 15:47:06 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Ranking the Browns QBs on Fri, 06 Dec 2013 15:34:42 GMT]]>1 Graham

2.,Ryan

3. Kosar

4. Testeverde

5. Sipe/couch (tie)

No one else matters

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@richiswhere said:

I get the goodness of the QB's on the list from the 40's, 50's and 60's but man that list gets real sad when you go from 1970 to the present. There are 21 QB's on that list that have started for the Browns since 1970 and only 2 have won playoff games since 1970 and only 1 lead the team to the playoffs multiple years.

To fill in the blanks, those QBs to win a playoff game since 1970 are Bernie Kosar who beat the Jets/Colts/Bills in 86/87/89 and Vinny T. who beat the Pats in 1994. Prior to that it was a Bill Nelsen QBed Browns that beat the Cowboys in 1969.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/370304https://brownsboard.com/post/370304Fri, 06 Dec 2013 15:17:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Ranking the Browns QBs on Fri, 06 Dec 2013 00:52:00 GMT]]>I get the goodness of the QB's on the list from the 40's, 50's and 60's but man that list gets real sad when you go from 1970 to the present. There are 21 QB's on that list that have started for the Browns since 1970 and only 2 have won playoff games since 1970 and only 1 lead the team to the playoffs multiple years.

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@the-gipper said:

Here is what I come up with on my ranking list:

Here are the won-loss records of each QB:

1. Otto Graham 57-13-1

2. Frank Ryan 52-22

3. Bernie Kosar 53-51-1

4. Brian Sipe 57-55

5. Bill Nelsen 34-16-1

6. Milt Plum 33-16-1

7. Gary Danielson 5-3

8. Vinny Testaverde 16-15

9. Tim Couch 22-37

10. Tommy O'Connell 10-3-1

11. Derek Anderson 16-18

12. George Ratterman 2-3

13. Jim Ninowski 5-6

14. Kelly Holcomb 4-8

15. Paul McDonald 8-13

16. Mike Phipps 25-25-1

17. Colt McCoy 6-15

18. TRent Dilfer 4-7

19. Mike Pagel 2-5

20. Mike Tomczak 4-4

21. Brandon Weeden 5-15

22. Brady Quinn 3-9

23. Jeff Garcia 3-7

24. Charlie Frye 6-13

25. Seneca Wallace 1-6

26. Todd Philcox 2-3

27. Doug Pederson 1-7

Also note: Campbell 1-3, Delhomme 4-4, Mays 1-3, McCown 0-4, Hoyer 3-0

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/370205https://brownsboard.com/post/370205Thu, 05 Dec 2013 21:07:18 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Ranking the Browns QBs on Thu, 05 Dec 2013 20:52:22 GMT]]>The only ones I never saw play were OG/O'connell/Ratterman. I saw Ninowski when he was a backup for several years, and I saw Plum but when he was with different teams.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/370203https://brownsboard.com/post/370203Thu, 05 Dec 2013 20:52:22 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Ranking the Browns QBs on Thu, 05 Dec 2013 19:46:48 GMT]]>Graham


Kosar


Sipe


Ryan


Nelson


Testaverde


Danielson


Anderson


Couch


Holcomb


Dilfer


Garcia


Tomczak


McCoy


Frye


McDonald


Weeden


Phipps


Pagel


Quinn


Philcox


Pederson



Don't know enough about Plum, O'Connell, Ratterman, or Ninowski to judge them.



Zombo

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@the-gipper said:

In my trivia thread I listed all the Browns QBs in history that have started at least 5 games. I will re-list them here alphabetically. What you can do is to give your ranking of all these guys from first to last. Let's see what you come up with.:

Anderson,

Couch,

Danielson,

Dilfer,

Frye,

Garcia,

Graham,

Holcomb,

Kosar,

McCoy,

McDonald,

Nelsen,

Ninowski,

O'Connell,

Pagel,

Pederson,

Philcox,

Phipps,

Plum,

Quinn,

Ratterman,

Ryan,

Sipe,

Testaverde,

Tomczak,

Wallace,

Weeden

I never saw Ryan, Plum, O'Connell, Ratterman, or Ninowski play so I don't know where to put them. Graham is a no-brainer for me, he played in 10 championships & won a bunch. Here's my list:

Graham

Kosar

Sipe

Testaverde

Nelson

Danielson

Couch

Pagel

Phipps

Tomczak

Anderson

Holcomb

Garcia

McCoy

Dilfer

Weeden

Frye

Pederson

Quinn

Philcox

McDonald

Only reason I have McDonald ranked so low was because he had at least 3 pick 6 TDs returned in the 4th quarter alone in 1984, and ultimately lead to Rutigliano being fired. To be fair, McDonald replaced Sipe, who had fled to the USFL. McDonald was great at USC, held a clipboard for Sipe for several seasons and really stunk when he took over.

Pagel & Tomczak weren't too shabby when they played. I'm sure you guys recall Belichick bypassing both Kosar & Tomczak for Todd Philcox....ugh.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/370191https://brownsboard.com/post/370191Thu, 05 Dec 2013 18:59:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Ranking the Browns QBs on Thu, 05 Dec 2013 16:27:52 GMT]]>Campbell.. I'd say, 14.5

And I'd put Colt just ahead of Anderson.

Colt was more mobile, and cared about winning a hell of a lot more.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/370170https://brownsboard.com/post/370170Thu, 05 Dec 2013 16:27:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Ranking the Browns QBs on Thu, 05 Dec 2013 15:06:57 GMT]]>If Jason Campbell starts Sunday....or another game at all with the Browns he will join the list.

Where would you put him?

Hoyer would need 2 more starts. May get them next year.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/370147https://brownsboard.com/post/370147Thu, 05 Dec 2013 15:06:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Ranking the Browns QBs on Thu, 05 Dec 2013 14:59:40 GMT]]>I would echo Gip's final draft. I can only say how great it was to watch Bill Nelson hurl the ball. Too bad his knees were shot after toiling behind shitsburghs line for so many years.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/370146https://brownsboard.com/post/370146Thu, 05 Dec 2013 14:59:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Ranking the Browns QBs on Thu, 05 Dec 2013 14:53:24 GMT]]>Here is what I come up with on my ranking list:

1. Otto Graham

2. Frank Ryan

3. Bernie Kosar

4. Brian Sipe

5. Bill Nelsen

6. Milt Plum

7. Gary Danielson

8. Vinny Testaverde

9. Tim Couch

10. Tommy O'Connell

11. Derek Anderson

12. George Ratterman

13. Jim Ninowski

14. Kelly Holcomb

15. Paul McDonald

16. Mike Phipps

17. Colt McCoy

18. TRent Dilfer

19. Mike Pagel

20. Mike Tomczak

21. Brandon Weeden

22. Brady Quinn

23. Jeff Garcia

24. Charlie Frye

25. Seneca Wallace

26. Todd Philcox

27. Doug Pederson

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