pghbigkev said:

I can tell you one thing for a fact- & those articles jogged my memory- no doubt Ward cheap shotted that Bengal player and broke his jaw. If you don't like the current rules on a "defenseless player" you can blame it all on Whines Hard for never missing a chance to lay out a player who wasn't looking.

pghbigkev said:

Well, the point of that image Kosar for Prez posted is that it was directed towards Steelers fans who are not from Western PA. I have extended family that is from Ohio, are Steelers/OSU fans, and moved to Atlanta. I'm sure people just LOVE them down there too. During a time when I occasionally looked at Facebook, they would make obnoxious posts, namely about Steelers and their political opinions. Eventually I had to put them on the ignore list as my annoyance level hit its limit with them.

To anyone reading this who is from Georgia: I apologize that they are now your problem.

pghbigkev said:

Funny, but just so you know, people from Western Pennsylvania have a much better reputation than people from OHIO.

http://gobacktoohio.com/

OSU fans are known for being dicks. I'm an OSU fan and I agree that OSU fans are for the most part dicks.

@kosar_for_president said:

Funny, but just so you know, people from Western Pennsylvania have a much better reputation than people from OHIO.

http://gobacktoohio.com/

pghbigkev said:

I am not saying anything. I am simply reporting what his peers in the game said about him.

If you had an issue with this, you should take it up with the players in the NFL.

pghbigkev said:

The article was put together by this "Ranker.com" sight. Notice it contains list involving sports, TV, Films, travel, business etc. etc.

And has dozens of lists it publishes underneath each of these categories.

Embarassing for you that you couldn't actually read what you were seeing. Typical....but embarassing.

@the-gipper said:

SO you are saying that since 29 players out of 300 claim Hines Ward is the dirtiest player that makes it a fact?? 29 out of 300 is a fact now?? Interesting

@the-gipper said:

Would you just stop! That "article" was created by a fictional movie character. And you are using this "article" as a base for facts?? LOL The "article" has 7,000 views. The "article" was most likely posted by a Browns fan, fictional movie character was a Cleveland Indian. Embarrassing Gipper, even for you.

See the above article. It gives the 41 dirtiest players in the league's history. Here is how the teams break down:

Steelers 7 players

Raiders 5 players

Eagles/Cowboys/Titans 3 players

Ravens/Packers/Bears 2 players

49ers/Cards/Lions/Dolphins/Pats/Broncos/Chargers/Vikings/Chiefs

The only guy on the list that even played a bit with the Browns was Lyle Alzado, who played most of his career with the Broncos.

OK, so now tell us how the Steelers don't have a reputation for being dirty.

Hines Ward, dirtiest player article.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2009/11/steelers-hines-ward-voted-nfls-dirtiest-player/1

pghbigkev said:

violent shots.

Like taking the Cincy qb out, early, in an important game.

All the nonsense rationalizations won't change the dirty, cheapshot steeler history.

Comes with the steriod use, perhaps...

@the-gipper said:

Wow, what an uniformed post.

First, Lambert had one hit out of bounds on Sipe, the other that you are referring to was done by Keith Gary.

Second, when referring to Hines Ward, none of these hits were late, penalized or dirty,Just blocks made by the best blocking WR ever. Unlike Keenan's hit which came well after the play. And it was funny that after he took his cheap shot he actually ran off the field to avoid Greg Lloyd who wanted to kill him. Lloyd waited two more years when Keenan was in Jacksonville to get his retribution. That's how the Steelers roll. Hines was a warrior, the Browns would consider themselves lucky ever to have a competitor like him wear your stinky colors.

Lastly, as far as crying. The Browns fan base was the biggest group of whiners I have ever seen that glorious day back in 2010 when James Harrison Knocked out your entire football team. And it actually peaked into full panty complainers when in Harrison KTFO your QB from Texas.

The above points are facts and not up for argument.

@the-gipper said:

Hardee har har. I think it was Ted Williams who first used that line when asked if he could hit .400 against "today's pitchers".

I was looking at the NFL penalty site, where they show who got caught for what and who benefitted from opponents infractions. It varies a lot by team. NE seems to have a lot called against opponents and gets a lot of yardage that way. Pittsburgh was not at the top in anything except for getting called for cut blocking. Now that is a stupid penalty, officials are right there and can't miss it because it is obvious. I think it is indicative of overmatched inexperienced o-linemen that Pittsburgh has had to bring in.

pghbigkev said:

@the-gipper said:

Tomato/Tomaato It's all one's perspective. Being a lifelong Steelers fan I never viewed the Steelers as dirty. Just a tough as nails team that tried to impose their will on the opposing team.

Lastly, I have watched every Steelers vs Browns games since the 70's and the Brown's took plenty of questionable shots on Steelers players throughout the years. I remember Lambert coming off of the Bench to go after a Browns player who drilled Bradshaw well out of bounds. I was there at Three Rivers for the playoff game in 94 when Keenan McArdell took a flying head shot to another level on Chad Brown after an interception that was well after the play.

Bottom line is that every team that plays a physical brand can be labeled as cheap, there is a fine line. Cheap shots in my book are going after a players legs well behind the play. Something that the Broncos taught their Olines for years.

@hoorta said:

That other team was the Raiders.....who were about equally as dirty as the Steelers. Sorry, but the Browns could not keep up with those two teams in terms of cheap shots. the Turkey Jones play is so renown because it was like the only time the Browns ever even came close to doing something the Steelers and Raiders did on a regular basis.

@buck-the-frowns said:

Hardee har har. I think it was Ted Williams who first used that line when asked if he could hit .400 against "today's pitchers".

pghbigkev said:

Yeah- if then was now, doubtless Turkey Jones' pile driver of any quarterback would probably be a $100k fine and at least a four game if not a season long ban. 20 years ago, the hit on the Bengals punter would be nice hit, too bad about your jaw. I saw Lynn Swann almost get decapitated diving for a sideline catch and the opposing player- can't remember the team-wasn't the Browns- hung out a perfect closeline to the neck. Only a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct.

It's a violent game- enough injuries happen inadvertently- but I'll draw the line where there is intent to injure- and just MHO- that was the intent on the punter. BTW, you can blame that rule change on Hines Ward- he made a living out of cheap blindside hits- and the league has taken a stance against it.

@alwardc4 said:

They will attribute their winning ways to the 'genius' well ran franchise. And you know what? Of course they are well ran. Yet, they are completely oblivious to the variance and luck that goes into having a winning team (yes, even for decades.

They are (were?) well run and developed a method that kept them in contention for a long time. I never saw a team that could lose players to free agency and not miss a beat like they did. When they let someone walk, their apprentice was usually ready. Then they quit using their own successful method. They went too long with players and are paying the price now, on defense. There drafts have been mediocre for a while as well, though 2013 was better. I don't know why that happened, maybe whoever was evaluating the talent moved on to other jobs with other teams.

On the offensive line they seem to have terrible injuries every year and have to get guys off the street to play. I honestly never heard of their center before, and before that the center was Geraldo Rivera or something, and everyone else is playing out of position.

Maybe it is as you say, variance and luck.

@the-gipper said:

Maybe.....but at least we would acknowledge it as a cheap shot. I mean, yinzers have to go back 40 years to find a cheap shot by a Browns player on a Steeler. Was what Joe Turkey Jones did to Terry Bradshaw a cheap shot? Sure it was. We acknowledge that....and have for 40 years.

(but...yes, that does not mean we were not entertained by it. Can you imagine what kind of punishment he would get today?)

At least figure this....the Browns did the rest of the AFC a favor when TJ Ward....on a completely clean legit hit, took out Gronkowski. Hopefully that action will spare us all from having to see the Patriots (yes, one of the darlings of the Networks because they are Boston/East coast as that is what they are biased toward) from making a deep playoff run.

If Turkey Jones was playing for the Browns today he would be their best defensive player. All the more amazing because must be 70 years old by now.

If he had not been a punter, the block would have been legal. Until this year it might have been legal to hit a punter on the return if he was attempting to make a play.

Anyone notice the Bungles #40 grabbing the returner's chin an instant after Huber is hit? It turned his head while he was running full speed. A lot of nasty injuries do happen during returns.

pghbigkev said:

I guess I need to see that hit again. If it can be posted, I can better make up my own mind.

(and I wouldn't blame these rules on Goodell. He is doing what he needs to do to protect his owners interests from lawsuits by former/current/future players).

I know that the Steelers have been considered a dirty team since Noll came on board. That was a trademark of the Steel Curtain.

Yes, they were dirty as fuck.....and one Joe Jones play didn't make up for dozens of dirty plays by the Steelers.

Prior to the Noll era, I am not aware that they were considered dirty.

I know that John Henry Johnson was one hell of a tough runner...but I don't know about dirty.