@bbedward said:

LOL - famous last words....

@lbc-mike said:

If I was him I would have been drinking before 6 minutes left

@miktoxic said:

Holmgren had to bring in his puppet (Shurmer) so Holmgren could come into work at 10am, go to a 2 hour lunch and then leave at 3pm. Holmgren really screwed this team over

@browns149 said:

yeah and he's the guy that should have been given his 5 years. but noooooooooooooooo. holmgren fucked cleveland in the ass with brken glass and we won't stop feeling that ass rape for another 5 years.

chud has no head coaching experience. when turner went from OC to HC he totally sucked (meanwhile look how good rivers looks this year) and our defense had to switch schemes 2 years in a row because of our brilliant defensive coordinator and his inability (with every other coach) couldn't use what we have as players and work within them and adapt to the player's strengths.

fuckk 'em all, big and small.

@browns149 said:

Forgot to mention that- and you can't blame Richardson and Weeden on Banner. Yeah- our OP thinks Rainey is SO much better than Obi- don't think so.

On the other hand, a coaching revolving door virtually guarantees losing.

@hoorta said:

To say the Chiefs are an eleven win team just because of Reid, you don't know much about the situation. They had six Pro Bowlers last year- the Browns have five this year and probably six assuming someone bows out and TJ Ward makes it as first alternate. Sounds like this year's Browns are in the same position as last year's Chiefs. The Chiefs have had continuity at qb this year in Smith...

I like the analogy. Hoyer even reminds me of Smith...

@clevfan4life said:

true that. but if YOU as a new FO can't build around that going on YOUR second year then your name is up in the board room. that's all. not saying everyone sucks, i'm saying i hate the fact that we do suck, no matter what excuse you want to throw at me.

no hate towards you or anyone else. this shit is just tiring and will age you one year per sixteen games a year.

i don't (in that consideration) have a lot of time left. would like to see an upswing before my liver blows.

happy new year you delusional fucks!

@miktoxic said:

To this point, how many of those players have played under the same system for more than 2 years?

@miktoxic said:

worst play calling ever? I thought Shurmur ball was worst play calling ever. So chud's is now worse than Shurmur? C'mon dude, see where this is going? We didn't do anything this season like running out a TE as the lead handoff on short and goal. Cleveland fans like yourself have some serious perspective issues, i"m sorry but you do. Every year it's the same shit. I realize you said you don't want the staff to be fired so i'm not accusing you of that....but at the same time you're coming to the defense of someone who infact did say blow it all up and fire everyone. You did read the OP title right?

@topdawg31 said:

Great- if you have no hope for next year- go find another team to root for- you're wasting your time here. I see a team that was a couple Davon Bess drops away from beating the Chiefs on the road, and a recovered on side kick (and hometown reffing) away from beating the Patriots. Just getting rid of Weeden- who has personally cost the Browns at least four wins will show marked improvement. BTW, Banner not only got an extra first for Richardson, there's an extra third & fourth too. So you're on board for yet another totally blown draft. You got a functional crystal ball?

To say the Chiefs are an eleven win team just because of Reid, you don't know much about the situation. They had six Pro Bowlers last year- the Browns have five this year and probably six assuming someone bows out and TJ Ward makes it as first alternate. Sounds like this year's Browns are in the same position as last year's Chiefs. The Chiefs have had continuity at qb this year in Smith- the Browns have had anything but. In case you didn't notice the Packers turned into a mediocre team when Rodgers busted his collarbone- yet you expect the Browns to be at least 8-8 with their third sting qb playing? Yeah, right.

@osiris said:

^^^ This

@topdawg31 said:

You're sick and tired of 5 year plans......when was the last time we had a 5 year coach? I think you have to go back before the move no? Butch was here 3 or 4 years, i think that was the longest tenure. And no immediate results are not possible here in Cleveland. Sorry they just aren't.

@topdawg31 said:

No!!

@clevfan4life said:

The fan base has NOTHING to do or to say about the matter or should I say....in the matter.

@next2nothing said:

I'm beginning to distinctly hate a significant portion of the Browns fan base because they have us in rebuild/retool hell every 2-3 years. Going forward the only thing that will make me not be a Browns fan anymore is if they continue to blow it up. The OP needs to stop being a Browns fan in all seriousness. Whining for the owner to blow it up after 1 season is so utterly bereft of any sort of intelligence in general let alone football IQ, that I really have to scratch my head and ask who the fuck are these people that like watching new stink ever 2 years. And just when we start to show signs of not stinking at that. What we didn't go 16-0? Blow it up jimmy

@hoorta said:

Well said. Like clockwork, every 2 - 3 years, it's new faces in Berea. Which means new schemes, new identities, new QB... etc. And fans wonder why this team never goes anywhere.