@hoorta said:

Depends on your body type. I can say this- I've met TJ Ward, and I can about guarantee you if you ever saw him in person, you'd never guess in a million years he's a stud NFL player.

TJ ward was cool though, I had him autograph my fedora because it's all I had.

@hoorta said:

Depends on your body type. I can say this- I've met TJ Ward, and I can about guarantee you if you ever saw him in person, you'd never guess in a million years he's a stud NFL player.

People have the Idea you have to be around 260 to play OLB in today's NFL. I disagree. You can get stronger without adding bulk. I'm one of those body types- I could go into a gym, lift weights 4 hours a day, and I'd never have an Atlas physique.

XxDaBuckeyexX said:

Depends on your body type. I can say this- I've met TJ Ward, and I can about guarantee you if you ever saw him in person, you'd never guess in a million years he's a stud NFL player.

People have the Idea you have to be around 260 to play OLB in today's NFL. I disagree. You can get stronger without adding bulk. I'm one of those body types- I could go into a gym, lift weights 4 hours a day, and I'd never have an Atlas physique.

@poeticg said:

Kiko Gonzo is a fucking scrub ass bum faggot. I'd knock his ass the fuck out. Fuck that faggot.

@hoorta said:

6'4" 240 is undersized? He can easily add a few pounds if that's what you're worried about. BTW Derrick Thomas was 6'3" 245, and he's in the HOF, Ray Lewis same weight, and 3" shorter.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

6'4" 240 is undersized? He can easily add a few pounds if that's what you're worried about. BTW Derrick Thomas was 6'3" 245, and he's in the HOF, Ray Lewis same weight, and 3" shorter.

BTW... It's been mock draft season since Hoyer got hurt... where have you been?

@topdawg31 said:

hes having nowhere near the season Kiko Alonso is having for Buffalo and he wasn't even a 1st round pick

@comeonman said:

That was a little jibe at TCPO who says you are wrong....conferences....at least the SEC, and the players that come out of there are better than others who join the NFL.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Just goes to show that you should not pick defensive players from the SEC?

Though, OK, I guess our best defensive player was from the SEC (Haden)

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

If they wanted an undersized situational rusher turning in a mediocre performance...then,

yeah.

I was against the Mingo pick from jump street, I just think there were at least four other positions that could have used an upgrade before getting a fourth OLB.

@hoorta said:

So now you want to play the "what if" game. Alonso has a lot of tackles- Mingo has more sacks. What if every team in the NFL had been brilliant enough to realize Tom Brady was a sure fire HOFer, instead of a throw away 6th round pick? Teams other than the Browns passed on Montana, Marino, and Farve too- so cry me a river. Yup while you're at it, the Chargers were dumb asses taking Teo instead of Alonso by your brilliant 20\20 hindsight analysis

Incidentally Alonzo plays inside, Mingo outside- so you can't really compare- the Browns already had Jackson, and they wanted an outside speed rusher- looks like they got what they wanted.

If they wanted an undersized situational rusher turning in a mediocre performance...then,

yeah.

I was against the Mingo pick from jump street, I just think there were at least four other positions that could have used an upgrade before getting a fourth OLB.

@topdawg31 said:

So now you want to play the "what if" game. Alonso has a lot of tackles- Mingo has more sacks. What if every team in the NFL had been brilliant enough to realize Tom Brady was a sure fire HOFer, instead of a throw away 6th round pick? Teams other than the Browns passed on Montana, Marino, and Farve too- so cry me a river. Yup while you're at it, the Chargers were dumb asses taking Teo instead of Alonso by your brilliant 20\20 hindsight analysis

Incidentally Alonzo plays inside, Mingo outside- so you can't really compare- the Browns already had Jackson, and they wanted an outside speed rusher- looks like they got what they wanted.

I feel like the Browns are in a position to really grow and improve the team going into the draft. We have picks if we want to move up, move down, acquire veterans, and add elite talent. Not sure if I have faith in these guys to pick great players with every pick, but I'm inclined to be optimistic with a team that did all that to put themselves in the position they're in.

Quinn, with 18 sacks this year, had only 5 his rookie year. Mathis had 3.5. Williams had 4.5.

@topdawg31 said:

hes having nowhere near the season Kiko Alonso is having for Buffalo and he wasn't even a 1st round pick

@topdawg31 said:

sounds just like Whimblys rookie season analysis. A real LB comes on the scene like Clay Matthews did you either have it(clay) or you don't (mingo).

Mingos issues are coachable ones. He has raw athletic talent (remember his pop-up sack) that can't be coached. If he doesn't become a 10 sack pass rusher, it will be a failure of coaching, not ability.

@topdawg31 said:

So who was the Clay Matthews of the 2013 draft? You love to bitch and moan but you have yet to indicate who the Brown's should have drafted instead of Mingo.