This regime has for now totally lost my confidence at this point while i thought chud fell short and made some bad decisions he deserved another year to make it right, the only coaches that i have ever thought deserved to be fired after year one are mangini and shurmur..

Banner and lombardi can blame the coaches but they are the idiots that hired chud to get norv turner and ray horton and they also failed to provide this coach with adequate talent in key areas..

If this regime does not pull a rabbit out of the hat on the next coach hire and draft i am going to boycott this team..

I do not consider mcdaniels or obrien an answer to the problem..

A kneejerk regime deserves a kneejerk response from the fans..

We were 3-2 after beating Buffalo and leaving the stadium that night was fun as hell. Fans were really excited despite the injury to Hoyer. Fast forward a few games, and when we blew it vs the Lions, it seemed the players were done (ok, we got jobbed in NE). We looked awful, and Chud never seemed to demand a defensive scheme change...the 3rd & longs were always 1st downs for the opponent.

My only fear right now is the FO trades picks to move up or down--DON"T DO IT!!! Draft all 10 picks and ride with it.

@darren15 said:

I think one was called for 12:30pm. Coaching meeting at 8am.

If so what time ?

On offense we actually looked good for awhile when Hoyer was qb. So any argument about not needed a qb goes right out the window. Campbell was we thought he would be, a good backup. We have no running game (and wouldn't even with Richardson). We do have a couple of weapons at reciever and tight end, but that is about it on offense. I know there are alot of Mack supporters on here but he is not that great. Joe Thomas got a year older and a step slower.

On defense we were great the first half of the season and then went in the tank. Joe Hayden? Love the guy, but he got worked a few times and cost us a couple games. Our free agents did not produce as they were expected. Mingo will get better but needs more help. Injuries...yep along with every other team in the league.

So now we need a new coach. He was the problem? For what Norv had to work with, I thought he did a good job. Horton? Nope. We went backwards on defense. I'm not a Chud fan (or hater) but who knows if he was really the problem. Our draft picks have sucked for a long time and if they don't get it right this year, we will suck for another 7 years. Maybe they already have their coach and we just don't know it yet? But let's face it...how much worse can the next one be?

@larryfine said:

4 year contract, apparently he has three years left, I read somewhere. And yes, we'll be paying him, probably in truck fuel.

@nickers said:

do you cut and paste your response to everything mangini?

i mean they all are pretty much the same.

Banner as pres Heckert as GM and Mangini as coach would be a winner too bad we can't pick & choose.

mangini had the discipline that NFL players nowadays need, he hired a good staff. he made his players earn their jobs.

chud was a dud from day one.

And wasn't Chud some guy with limited to no experience? What exactly did he do before he got to Cleveland? Surely you're not crediting him with anything in Carolina. He didn't give birth to Cam Newton, and I'm pretty sure that team is better this year without Chud. And regardless of that, how is what I'm asking worse than what has actually happened over and over again. Clearly the "let's get some low-cost guy to come in here and change everything again" option has not worked yet. So why don't we try bringing someone in and saying, "Look, you can eventually turn this team into your style of team, but it's got to be a forward-moving transition. You can't come in and throw up your hands and insist that we scrap everything while we wait for years for you to get the kind of players you like. Start with what's here, improve on it, and head it eventually in your own direction if you like."?

And I'm not saying that a new coach/staff shouldn't involve any rebuilding. I'm saying that there's a difference between coming in and improving a team in your own way and coming in and saying "we're not doing anything that worked for us before; I like things to be completely different and we're not doing anything until we can do that."

@spectralcow said:

aaaannnnddd the only guy you're gonna get to come in here and agree to that is someone with limited to no experience who's just grateful to have an NFL slot. Fantastic. No established coach is gonna say yeah i'll come in and gurantee a 10 win season with guys he didn't pick or have a hand in picking. It ain't gonna happen. Every coach knows this. Even FA's have to be interviewed by the coach and he has to sign off on whether this guy fits his scheme mentally and physically. It just takes time and coaches have to build their team. What you want just isn't going to happen...it never happens. It hasn't happened in the past. Heck Mangini revamped Romeo's team and they came from the same Belichick stable. Than Shurm turned over that team than Chuds came in and "reworked" Shurms's team, not completely revamped....and we see how well that worked.

What I DON'T want is another coach who wants to dismantle everything and start from scratch again because what's here isn't his personal preference. Unless you're some established gameplan/scheme revolutionary with proven success, I don't want to hear about YOUR system. Come in, look at what's in place here and IMPROVE on that. Don't tear it all down all over again and waste YET ANOTHER year so that you can have things the way you want them. If you accept the job, accept that we're asking you to improve THIS team, not to waste years starting over from scratch AGAIN.

@clevfan4life said:

none are or ever will be head coaches again so whats your point?

@topdawg31 said:

Well Shurmur is now the offensive coordinator for the philly eagles, did you know that? Romeo went to the Chiefs and is credited with alot of the guys that are currently on that roster who are making this run of theirs possible. Mangini has turned down offers, he's waiting for his spot. Honestly I'd love for them to bring him back because he'd at least keep the defensive scheme in place. So no you don't know what they would have done with 4-5 years in Cleveland. IMO if Mangini was still here we'd have the drivers seat in the North. I base that on the fact the North has had a significant downturn and that Lawrence Vickers and Peyton Hillis would still be rolling downhill. Just because neither of those guys did much after they left here doesn't mean they weren't in a good spot and wouldn't have continued to produce at a high level.

@clevfan4life said:

with the exception of Belicheck where are all of the previously fired Browns head coaches? I believe I know if they were good or not.

@browns149 said:

I don't think we know that. The best I've felt about the Browns since 99, the most optimistic i'd been.....was in '10 when they went to NO and NE and put a beating on two of the elite teams in the NFL. It was Mangini's 2nd year right? He had a bad 1st year, than went 5-11 but put the Browns on the national discussion. The Sports world was talking about the Browns again. We had a backfield that looked like it was going to steam iron the North for years to come. But we had a shitty qb and Mangini was mean to him.....FIRED!!!! And say what you will about Shurmur but most of these guys here today are his guys...and some of ain't bad. Obviously I think Mangini had us closer to something than Shurm did...but my point is that how do we fucking know we havne't had a good coach? They're all gone after 2 years.

Interesting offseason ahead...

Orange85 said:

Actually he did... it was the night he went from a college QB to an NFL QB... Tons of guys are good in college, but don't have the game that translates to the NFL. Comparing college success to NFL success is apples to oranges... don't be stupid...