@clevfan4life said:

There are likely plenty of the available candidates that look at it like you lay it out. Those are they guys I don't want. Those to me are guys that just want every piece already in place so they can come in as a figurehead and coast to the appearance of being good coaches. There are other candidates that welcome a challenge. Guys that want a chance to take their game and career to the next level. Guys that can see beyond the media bashing and understand the talent we have already and the immense opportunity we have to bolster that via 7 top 4 round draft picks and plenty to spend in free agency.

I think for some of those guys the biggest obstacle will be convincing them they can actually run the football teams day to day operations as opposed to Banner and Lombardi.

@vaportrail said:

Auburn's gonna pay him more anyway, he doesn't need to ruin his relationship with the AD in Auburn to get them pay him more.

@clevfan4life said:

He could come here and use us to force Auburn to pay him more.

@d-bone said:

ok...i'm stupid. You're right. The way to win games in the NFL is to change coaching staff every year. After all this how all the perennial winners in the NFL do it right? RIGHT????? Yes....i'm the stupid one you're totally right.

@clevfan4life said:

I never argue with stupid people. You will only drag me down to your level, and then beat me with your lifetime of experience

@d-bone said:

nope...the guys with the big boy pants on were the ones who settled in to watch a new regime stay and rebuild for a couple years. We were the ones ok for now with the team losing, because we knew this is gonna take time. It was the whiny poosies like you that apparently the FO listened to. You don't build an elite foundation in one year, this is clear...not in the NFL. Mid way through next year, when they fire the coach midseason......ill remind you to pull your big boy pants. up.

@clevfan4life said:

LMAO OK Chicken Little. Why don't you and the rest of the boo hoo boyz all get the fuck out of here and go root for someone else. If you're gonna stay, then pull up your big boy pants and quit your fucking crying. That goes for all of the boo hoo boyz.

@d-bone said:

reall dude? How many coaches have we watched the past couple years flatly turn us down and we have to end up with someone barely any of us has ever heard of. This is ridiculous. Stop it with this fantasy that there's established coaches beating down the door to coach the Browns. There isn't. They know that even at good franchises the coaching staffs turn over eveyr couple of years. Chud just got 10.5m from the Browns......he could sit on a beach in St. Martens for the next 10 years just off that buyout. Do you get that most of these even mid tier coaches have millions and millions of dollars? McDaniels probably made the same from his short stint in Denver and is probably still making a decent penny with NE. YOu think he's beating down the door to be the Browns HC? You're kidding yourself. YOu don't understand how low this organization is looked at right now. The people who want this job are low D1 coaches or D2 guys that know if they can land a job even with a shitty organization like the Browns that they're set for life. One contract and these guys can live the good life. We're simply not an attractive destination for a coach that wants to win.

@the-gipper said:

Sounds about right to me. Personally I would love it if Cowher would come here as HC and have success.

@cbus-brownie said:

I doubt that. A coach with just enough ego will see that 10 games were lost this year when the Browns were ahead or tied at the half, with performance getting ever worse down the line. If there is a coach who has the skills to match the ego, he'll think (and will) do better with the same team. Then there's the upcoming draft picks and cap space to work with to boot.

@the-gipper said:

Right. Having two replacements already in place after Black Monday is really an aberration.

O'Brien got in because he is a college coach of a team with no bowl game, and Lovie is in because he took a year off.

And then you have the "Burned Out Boys": Billick/Cowher/Gruden.

They each got their ring and their cushy TV job.....but you know what none of those guys will ever get if they never come back to coaching: Hall of Fame recognition. Tony Dungy will get his because of his status as the first SB winning HC that was black. (but really his creds beyond skin color are no better than the Burn Out Boys.) Shanahan/Holmgren/Belichick/Coughlin have more HOF cred than those guys.

The burned out boys would probably trash their reputation by coming here.

@d-bone said:

Well, you've convinced me. I can't wait for Pat Shurmur part 2.

@mark-o said:

Right. Having two replacements already in place after Black Monday is really an aberration.

O'Brien got in because he is a college coach of a team with no bowl game, and Lovie is in because he took a year off.

And then you have the "Burned Out Boys": Billick/Cowher/Gruden.

They each got their ring and their cushy TV job.....but you know what none of those guys will ever get if they never come back to coaching: Hall of Fame recognition. Tony Dungy will get his because of his status as the first SB winning HC that was black. (but really his creds beyond skin color are no better than the Burn Out Boys.) Shanahan/Holmgren/Belichick/Coughlin have more HOF cred than those guys.

@cbus-brownie said:

We wont get a good hire. Face it - we are the least attractive HC job in the NFL right now - with a FO that will fire you immediately if you dont win in year 1.

That's not all that bad, work for 1 get paid for 3-5.

Malzahn might not wanna leave what he has at auburn tho.

@cbus-brownie said:

Hearing this makes me laugh. There are only 32 of these jobs on earth. The candidates have been coaching for most of their lives, with the dream being one of these jobs. Yes, maybe your over-rated, look at me coaches like Gruden won't want to coach a team in transition, but for 95% of the other candidates out there, THEY are hoping their phone rings and the Browns are on the other end.

@gftchris said:

Or, the guy that they want is still coaching (well, coordinating) in the playoffs and we won't announce until after their team is out.

That's the more reasonable conclusion. Everyone that the Browns are reported to like has a team still playing.

@cbus-brownie said:

Or, the guy that they want is still coaching (well, coordinating) in the playoffs and we won't announce until after their team is out.

On Mike & MIke they asked this morning ... between Washington, Minnesota and Cleveland which is the most attractive job?

The answers: "Eh". and "I'll Pass".

After further evaluation, they said Washington because maybe you could build something with Griffin, and then Minnesota because at least you had a running game.

When asked directly about Cleveland (It was either Mort or Scheffler, I think Mort) said there are concerns from the outside about the organization there, and Haslem's going to have to sell that (clear that up)to any potential candidates.

We have 5 Pro Bowlers, tons of cap and tons of draft picks ... but all people see is 1. No Quarterback and 2. Fucked up organization.

Had they given Chud a second year, a full back, a real WR across from Gordon and one year with a real QB prospect, I don't think anyone would have faulted them if they fired him after another losing season.

But to fucking send all these coaches and their families packing after one year ... they are not making many points out there.

"Here ... come beat Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Cincy every year ... good luck with the QB thing ... and you'll work with the roster we give you."

Banner and Lombardi shop for the groceries and you cook an award-winning dinner or you'll be moving your family again next year and wish you never left that cushy college job.

and yes he made some mistakes but hopefully he'd learn from them.

no college wannabees pleez, even though kelly has made the cut so far.

key words SO FAR.

@clevfan4life said:

A 1st year college coach takes his team to the national title game and all of a sudden he has built a "perennial NCAA powerhouse?" Slow down. It took a hail mary and a missed FG returned for a TD to even get to the title game that has yet to be played. Auburn could go .500 next year for all we know. Malzahn will stay with Auburn anyway so the Browns front office is just wasting their time. I wouldn't mind a coach with NFL experience too, but haven't heard any names to get excited about..