@cielo said:

I apologize, I didn't realize that you "know talent at QB".

That changes everything.

SURELY then, you know what you are talking about when you say that someone has 10 times more talent than the 4th highest-rated passer in NFL history.

@cielo said:

you know talent at QB? what are you an NFL scout or an analyst for some respected sports network?

NO?

then you know dick. you closet freak.

@hoorta said:

I don't think Manz is even 6ft dude, otherwise his height would likely not really be big deal. Supposedly the guy "might" be 5'10 in his shoes. I like him personally I just don't think he's a good fit in the AFC North.

@cielo said:

All the talent in the world does you no good when you're on IR. See Carter, KiJana- Brown, Courtney. So I'd suggest you wise up- Manziel screams "injury risk". The geezers who run NFL draft boards will certainly take that into consideration. Incidentally Manziel isn't Russell Wilson accurate, or have the bulk of a Drew Brees.The college and pro games are not the same- Manziel may have elite speed in college, but he won't in the pros. Before you go spouting off about your football acumen- I want to see what Manziel looks like after Suh, Ngata, or Raji sit on him. Or you forget Suh picked up Colt McCoy (who happens to be bigger than Manziel) and tossed him around like a rag doll?

Should I add Johnny Football has to overcome the Heisman jinx?

Zombo said:

Phillip Rivers is a four time Pro Bowler with a 79-49 record in the NFL and the FOURTH HIGHEST PASSER RATING IN THE HISTORY OF THE ENTIRE NFL ... now, you are telling me that little Johnny Manziel is ten times more talented?

Shut the fuck up and get out of here with the weak shit.

Good luck to Johnny and all but ... C'mon man.

Fucking ridiculous.

Zombo

@hoorta said:

Johnny Manziel is 6'1" 210 (soaking wet)- let's see what he really is at the combine- assuming he dares to show up. (Probably more like 6'0", 200) Rivers is 6'5" 228. And BTW, Manziel has already been dinged multiple time in college. Let me enlighten you about the difference between college and pros. One of our more illustrious high school alumni went on to play (and start) at Ohio State at tailback. Even got a tryout with the Browns, until an injury ended his career. His take? In college you'd get hit hard once in awhile (incidentally one of his teammates was a guy by the name of Jack Tatum) in the pros- you get hit hard every time.

Unless you're built like Ben Rothlisberger running around in the pros will get you a quick trip to IR- just ask RGIII.

Quoted so both these guys look like fools a year and a half from now, I know talent at QB and Manziel has it.

Guys the same caliber as you have been running the Browns since 99 and that's why they have been an embarrassment to the league, grow up and get with the times you geezers.

Zombo said:

you tell me which one of the QBs coming out will be of that caliber and can guarantee it, then i'm all on board.

i haven't seen a leader in college football this year, except manziel, but the whole 'prone to injury' thing has me worried about him.

hell braxton miller looks like a dear in the headlights half the time. when do you start getting on your fellow players for fucking up routes?

@cielo said:

Johnny Manziel is 6'1" 210 (soaking wet)- let's see what he really is at the combine- assuming he dares to show up. (Probably more like 6'0", 200) Rivers is 6'5" 228. And BTW, Manziel has already been dinged multiple time in college. Let me enlighten you about the difference between college and pros. One of our more illustrious high school alumni went on to play (and start) at Ohio State at tailback. Even got a tryout with the Browns, until an injury ended his career. His take? In college you'd get hit hard once in awhile (incidentally one of his teammates was a guy by the name of Jack Tatum) in the pros- you get hit hard every time.

Unless you're built like Ben Rothlisberger running around in the pros will get you a quick trip to IR- just ask RGIII.

@cielo said:

Phillip Rivers is a four time Pro Bowler with a 79-49 record in the NFL and the FOURTH HIGHEST PASSER RATING IN THE HISTORY OF THE ENTIRE NFL ... now, you are telling me that little Johnny Manziel is ten times more talented?

Shut the fuck up and get out of here with the weak shit.

Good luck to Johnny and all but ... C'mon man.

Fucking ridiculous.

Zombo

Johnny Manziel is this guy with 10 times the on field talent.

Pure love for the game draft him Banner you short fat fuck faggot.

Also that game and the game tonight showed why Norv Turner got fired. Get the ball in your playmakers hands as quick as possible (Sammy Watkins Vs OSU).

@mike-h said:

Most especially Umadog.

@harry-taintsniffer said:

They deserved the win for sure. Marvin once again shits his pants come playoff time. 0-6 is not acceptable.

Starvin' Marvin? Hardly. He didn't throw all those picks and have a critical fumble. Bungles play an error free game and you win easily. Payback time for when the Browns gifted you a win in Cinci earlier this year..

@the-cysko-kid said:

Thank Christ the Bengals bungled it again. I hate them so much

If you notice my location- it will be quite fun to go into work and give those Bungle fans crap- if I can find anyone them- They will be hiding under their desks.

@bbedward said:

Yea but the 5 Bengal fans in this world are calling for his head.

@browns149 said:

Mike Brown is deaf

LOL.

@bbedward said:

Gruden is a sack of shit. Need to promote Hue Jackson and boot that assclown from the team. I don't care who his brother is.

And no, Mike Brown won't fire Lewis. He is too cheap.

@miktoxic said:

that's the only positive about anything for the brown's this year?

maybe besides finding out gordon is a beast?

and firing chud the dud.

Gordon, Cameron, Thomas, Mack, Haden, Ward ...those are big time players ... We need a leader.

Who's left: Brady, Manning, Rivers, Luck, Cam, Kaeperdick, Brees, Wilson ... All better than any single QB that has played for us since 99.

Z

@browns149 said:

and cheap

@bbedward said:

Mike Brown is deaf

@browns149 said:

Mike Brown won't fire him. He's cheap for an NFL coach

Yea but the 5 Bengal fans in this world are calling for his head.

@erie-dawg said:

Mike Brown won't fire him. He's cheap for an NFL coach

1 in 4 higher.. lower?

Zombo said:

that's the only positive about anything for the brown's this year?

maybe besides finding out gordon is a beast?

and firing chud the dud.

But, another way to look at it is: No one in the AFC North won a playoff game, but we got the highest draft pick.

Zombo

--Yay for us.

Mark my words boys. They are the team of destiny. Set up perfect against Peyton who has NEVER beaten the Chargers in the playoffs.