<![CDATA[2004 vs. 2012]]>There were 11 QBs drafted in the 2012 draft, which is considered to be turning out to be a good draft for QBs. Here are the Top 11 of 2004 vs. the Top 11 of 2012. How do you think they matchup? This matches each QB in the order they were taken in each draft:

2004......vs..........2012

1. Eli Manning....vs......Andrew Luck

2. Phillip Rivers...vs....Robert GriffinIII

3. Ben Roethlisberger vs. Ryan Tannehill

4. JP Losman....vs....Brandon Weeden

5. Matt Schaub...vs...Brock Osweiler

6. Luke McCown...vs...Russell Wilson

7. Craig Krenzel...vs. Nick Foles

8. Andy Hall....vs. Kirk Cousins

9. Josh Harris vs....RJ Lindley

10. Jim Sorgi...vs...BJ Coleman

11. Jeff Smoker...vs..Chandler Harnish

]]>https://brownsboard.com/topic/28145/2004-vs.-2012RSS for NodeThu, 01 Oct 2026 08:32:05 GMTFri, 10 Jan 2014 20:20:26 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to 2004 vs. 2012 on Sat, 11 Jan 2014 15:20:17 GMT]]>I can argue all day against Roethlisberger ... because he plays for the Steelers.

Zombo

--Don't make me do the work

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@the-gipper said:

Sorry......he played the worst game of any winning QB ever in SB history in that 2005 game. His defense and his running game won that in spite of him rather than because of him. And sorry again, BR never came up against the powerhouse teams that Kelly did in the SB: those 49er/Cowboy/Redskin teams Kelly faced would have smashed BRs Steeler teams in my opinion.

Edit: Kelly had 9842 yards and 83 TDs in his 2 years in the NFL. For what that is worth.

The Bills never faced the 49ers. They lost to Dallas twice, NYG once and Wash once. The skins had Mark Rypien at QB. The NYG had Hostetler at QB. and Kelley couldn't beat those scrubs

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Zombo said:

Well, their passing game was a big part of who they were. I know Pittsburgh almost always had the #1 running game and #1 defense (or close) the years that went all the way. Just saying ... I think Kelly shade bigger part of Bills success versus Bens with Stillers.

Zombo

The Bills had a Hall of Fame rb in Thurman Thomas, and they also had a top 10 defense in 2 of those superbowl years And yet Kelley was 0-4

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Zombo said:

Rottburger only played well in one of those Super Bowls.

Plus he only made it three times ... Kelly made it four.

And Kelly was the Bills, Ben had a great defense.

Zombo

1990 Bills were 6th in defense.and Bruce Smith was def MVP. 1993 they were 5th in defense.

They also had a Hall of Fame running back in Thurman Thomas

I would take a QB that was 2-1 in superbowls over a guy that's 0-4

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@cdl15 said:

Kelly was not the bills.

Well, their passing game was a big part of who they were. I know Pittsburgh almost always had the #1 running game and #1 defense (or close) the years that went all the way. Just saying ... I think Kelly shade bigger part of Bills success versus Bens with Stillers.

Zombo

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/378313https://brownsboard.com/post/378313Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:58:24 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2004 vs. 2012 on Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:58:06 GMT]]>Various sources best 12 QBs of all time:

Men's Health: 1. Montana 2. Peyton 3. Brady 4. Unitas 5. Elway 6. Marion 7. Graham 8. Favre 9. Young 10. Baugh 11. Bradshaw 12. Starr

KC Star: 1. Unitas 2. Montana 3. Elway 4. Graham 5. Brady 6. Peyton 7. Favre 8. Baugh 9. Staubach 10. Bradshaw 11. Starr 12. Marino

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Zombo said:

Rottburger only played well in one of those Super Bowls.

Plus he only made it three times ... Kelly made it four.

And Kelly was the Bills, Ben had a great defense.

Zombo

Kelly was not the bills. Big Ben may not have played well in the superbowls but the dude was money in the playoffs leading up to them, as was Kelly.

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@poeticg said:

I don't think BR won anything. I'd put it more on their defense and Pollypocket than Ben. I'm not sure but, I even think the fact that the Steelers actually should have won either of those games is still debatable... lol

Fuck Ben Rottenfrankfarter

BR was a major contributor in the win vs. the Cardinals. So I give him credit for that. But, being an overall better QB than Jim Kelly?

I personally don't think so.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/378309https://brownsboard.com/post/378309Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:24:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2004 vs. 2012 on Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:24:04 GMT]]>Rottburger only played well in one of those Super Bowls.

Plus he only made it three times ... Kelly made it four.

And Kelly was the Bills, Ben had a great defense.

Zombo

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@browns149 said:

he played 2 years in the USFL and yes he did play great in that league. He was MVP one of those years. But the rapist is still better IMO. The superbowl games, IMO, is what makes the rapist better. He won the big game 2 times and Kelley couldn't even win it once in 4 tries.

Sorry......he played the worst game of any winning QB ever in SB history in that 2005 game. His defense and his running game won that in spite of him rather than because of him. And sorry again, BR never came up against the powerhouse teams that Kelly did in the SB: those 49er/Cowboy/Redskin teams Kelly faced would have smashed BRs Steeler teams in my opinion.

Edit: Kelly had 9842 yards and 83 TDs in his 2 years in the NFL. For what that is worth.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/378307https://brownsboard.com/post/378307Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:27:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2004 vs. 2012 on Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:20:37 GMT]]>I don't think BR won anything. I'd put it more on their defense and Pollypocket than Ben. I'm not sure but, I even think the fact that the Steelers actually should have won either of those games is still debatable... lol

Fuck Ben Rottenfrankfarter

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@the-gipper said:

You forget that Kelly played like 4 years in the USFL. I know it does not count in any official stats.....but he played like hell in that league.

If you were asking me which one I would choose right now if they were available in their prime, I would pick Kelly.

(But that should by no means detract from BR)

he played 2 years in the USFL and yes he did play great in that league. He was MVP one of those years. But the rapist is still better IMO. The superbowl games, IMO, is what makes the rapist better. He won the big game 2 times and Kelley couldn't even win it once in 4 tries.

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@browns149 said:

I think the rapist is better then Jim Kelley. He is 2-1 in the superbowl and Kelley was 0-4

Kelley played 11 years, rapist has 10 years, and their stats are almost identical.

You forget that Kelly played like 4 years in the USFL. I know it does not count in any official stats.....but he played like hell in that league.

If you were asking me which one I would choose right now if they were available in their prime, I would pick Kelly.

(But that should by no means detract from BR)

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/378298https://brownsboard.com/post/378298Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:05:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2004 vs. 2012 on Fri, 10 Jan 2014 21:42:24 GMT]]>I think the rapist is better then Jim Kelley. He is 2-1 in the superbowl and Kelley was 0-4

Kelley played 11 years, rapist has 10 years, and their stats are almost identical.

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@the-gipper said:

I think I am down pretty much with all of Zombos picks...though I think total career wise O'Brien may have done a bit better than Schaub....but, yes, it is pretty close. Actually, lets compare:

O'Brien 129 games 110 starts. 50-59-1 record as starter. 2110/3602 58.6%. 25095 yards. 128 TDs. 3.6%. 98 Ints. 2.7%

194.5 ypg, 80.9 rating

Schaub 128 games 89 starts. 46-44 record as starter. 2035/3181 64%. 24254 yards. 130 TDs 4.1%. 84 Ints. 2.6% 189.5 ypg 89.8 rating

Yea. It may be hard to find two more QBs almost as even in career stats. Of course Schaub is still playing and can add to his stats....but also note: Schaub played in much more QB friendly times.

That's why I gave him the edge. But he was so bad this year he may be backup somewhere next year.

Zombo

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/378289https://brownsboard.com/post/378289Fri, 10 Jan 2014 21:15:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2004 vs. 2012 on Fri, 10 Jan 2014 21:12:39 GMT]]>I think I am down pretty much with all of Zombos picks...though I think total career wise O'Brien may have done a bit better than Schaub....but, yes, it is pretty close. Actually, lets compare:

O'Brien 129 games 110 starts. 50-59-1 record as starter. 2110/3602 58.6%. 25095 yards. 128 TDs. 3.6%. 98 Ints. 2.7%

194.5 ypg, 80.9 rating

Schaub 128 games 89 starts. 46-44 record as starter. 2035/3181 64%. 24254 yards. 130 TDs 4.1%. 84 Ints. 2.6% 189.5 ypg 89.8 rating

Yea. It may be hard to find two more QBs almost as even in career stats. Of course Schaub is still playing and can add to his stats....but also note: Schaub played in much more QB friendly times.

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1983......vs.....2004

1. John Elway vs. Eli Manning

2. Todd Blackledge vs. Phillip Rivers

3. Jim Kelly vs. Ben Roethlisberger

4. Tony Eason vs. JP Losman

5. Ken O'Brien vs. Matt Schaub Pretty even

6. Dan Marino vs. Luke McCown

7. Jeff Christensen vs. Craig Krenzel

8. Reggie Collier vs. Andy Hall

9. Babe Laufenberg vs. Josh Harris

10. Garry Kubiak vs. Jim Sorgi

11. Tom Ramsey vs Jeff Smoker

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/378282https://brownsboard.com/post/378282Fri, 10 Jan 2014 20:38:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2004 vs. 2012 on Fri, 10 Jan 2014 20:28:50 GMT]]>People forget that Gary Kubiak was a part of that vaunted 1983 QB class.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/378278https://brownsboard.com/post/378278Fri, 10 Jan 2014 20:28:50 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2004 vs. 2012 on Fri, 10 Jan 2014 20:27:12 GMT]]>Of course, it is probably a bit premature to match 2004 and 2012....so how about this....2004 vs. 1983. How do this slotted QBs rank against each other:

1983......vs.....2004

1. John Elway vs. Eli Manning

2. Todd Blackledge vs. Phillip Rivers

3. Jim Kelly vs. Ben Roethlisberger

4. Tony Eason vs. JP Losman

5. Ken O'Brien vs. Matt Schaub

6. Dan Marino vs. Luke McCown

7. Jeff Christensen vs. Craig Krenzel

8. Reggie Collier vs. Andy Hall

9. Babe Laufenberg vs. Josh Harris

10. Garry Kubiak vs. Jim Sorgi

11. Tom Ramsey vs Jeff Smoker

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/378276https://brownsboard.com/post/378276Fri, 10 Jan 2014 20:27:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to 2004 vs. 2012 on Fri, 10 Jan 2014 20:23:49 GMT]]>1. Eli Manning....vs......Andrew Luck



2. Phillip Rivers...vs....Robert GriffinIII



3. Ben Roethlisberger vs. Ryan Tannehill



4. JP Losman....vs....Brandon Weeden ... Wow ... LMAO



5. Matt Schaub...vs...Brock Osweiler



6. Luke McCown...vs...Russell Wilson



7. Craig Krenzel...vs. Nick Foles



8. Andy Hall....vs. Kirk Cousins



9. Josh Harris vs....RJ Lindley



10. Jim Sorgi...vs...BJ Coleman



11. Jeff Smoker...vs..Chandler Harnish


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