@roycerolls said:

I have zero concerns about Bridgewater putting in the hours, from what I've been reading he's a perfectionist and OCD when it comes to doing his homework. He programmed the entire Louisville playbook into Madden and reportedly has only lost one game of Madden (which still eats him up). Not to say that being good at Madden means he's a good QB, but translating the entire playbook to Xbox shows his dedication, I get impatient using an Xbox controller to search for movies on netflix...

I'm sure Lombardi knows all these things though, I have complete faith in the guy.

@tour2ma said:

I have zero concerns about Bridgewater putting in the hours, from what I've been reading he's a perfectionist and OCD when it comes to doing his homework. He programmed the entire Louisville playbook into Madden and reportedly has only lost one game of Madden (which still eats him up). Not to say that being good at Madden means he's a good QB, but translating the entire playbook to Xbox shows his dedication, I get impatient using an Xbox controller to search for movies on netflix...

I still think he lacks the ability to step into the pocket, see the entire field, plant his feet, and make a nice accurate throw. He dances too much in the backfield, and tries to outrun DEs when they are getting pressure. He also makes stupid throws when he is under pressure, but I'll give him credit he puts them in places where his guys could make plays...

I'd still prefer Bortles, Bridgewater, or Carr, but I'm going to keep watching Manziel's games (probably on YouTube) to try and find out if an NFL QB exists in there... right now, I'm thinking no...

@mike-h said:

When hurried, JF often just flat chucks the ball. Evans bailed him out on more than a few occasions.

No disagreement that JF is more athletic, but I always heard that Leinhart just did not put in the hours. That would be my concern with JF (or any prospect) and at least to my mind is different than being a good student of the game.

So... no issues with style of scrambling... just want to change one of the elements of his style. It's not that easy, Mike... as I am sure you saw in Wilson's early fumble vs SF. As he moved, Wilson was keeping the ball ready to throw and Smith just got on him faster than expected. Going to be the same with JF.

Not sure how many JF games you are up to now, but I caught him 5 times this year...

@hx214 said:

agree

@mike-h said:

BS. You have it right there Mike- we are concerned you're minimizing his injury risk taking off running, much less standing in the pocket. He isn't Rothlisberger, or Newton. He's a faster damn version of Colt McCoy, with a slightly better arm- so prove me wrong. One thing I've learned for sure evaluating qbs since 1999 is- you maximize their weaknesses, and minimize their strengths. And add in Manziel has more off field red flags that the other top 3 qb prospects combined. So keep on pimping your favorite guy- I'm not buying. Now if you want to comment about Johnny Football's incredible ability of doing pre snap reads, and deciphering a pro level defense, instead of scrambling around until one of his receivers breaks wide open, I'm all for it.

@mike-h said:

You must be confusing me with others who disagree with you... I think Manziel is a good scrambler.

Where JF gets in trouble once his scramble turns into a positive yardage run. He pushes for too much positive yardage too often and as a result takes more punishment than he should.

He was bulletproof his Freshman year, not so much his Sophomore.

@mike-h said:

Actually I think there is. Good scrambling somehow looks controlled even with chaos all around and produces at least neutral outcomes... and often very positive ones. On the other hand bad seems to actually add to, intensify the chaos, and produces the feeling that "this is not going to turn out well."

@nickers said:

Are you Lumburgh?

LOL... I smell a new avatar coming...

@roycerolls said:

So yes, McCoy is much better than Weeden, and yes the Browns SHOULD'VE drafted Weeden, they just did it at the wrong time. If that goofy bastard had only come out two years earlier, damn...

Always a nice surprise to see a completely new take on an old topic...

Zombo said:

If the Niners win but Kaeperdick gets hurt and Colt McCoy starts the Super Bowl...someone will have to sedate Po G, and I'm not kidding,

Actually typing this through tears... I was laughing that hard...

You guys might think I'm totally wrong, but i'd rather go with a guy like Garoppolo and snatch Sammy and and G/CB.

Bridgewater would definitely be the safest, and Johnny Football the highest risk/reward.

@hoorta said:

I read the poll question just fine- and I largely agree with Kennel Club. I voted Watkins, No trade up (one of the 4 top qbs will be there without moving up). My only difference is no Manziel. Highest injury risk, and most off- field red flags.

@westside-steve said:

"Happy" ... yes.

Po G will lose his mind. I will be worried for him and the innocents around him.

Zombo

@kennel-club said:

XxDaBuckeyexX said:

read the poll question again...

I read the poll question just fine- and I largely agree with Kennel Club. I voted Watkins, No trade up (one of the 4 top qbs will be there without moving up). My only difference is no Manziel. Highest injury risk, and most off- field red flags.

Zombo said:

If the Niners win but Kaeperdick gets hurt and Colt McCoy starts the Super Bowl...someone will have to sedate Po G, and I'm not kidding,

Z

T Rich was a turd from day one in my opinion but McCoy?

WSS

XxDaBuckeyexX said:

Whoops!

@kennel-club said:

I voted for Watkins as I don't feel Manziel will be there at 4. However, I would be just as happy if we pick Bridgewater, Bortles or Manziel at 4. I just don't want the FO to use the 2nd 1st round pick to move up in the draft.

Z

@bbedward said:

Without question, Hoyer is absolutely better than McCoy.

Comparing just about anyone to weeden will make them look like a star.

@poeticg said:

God I hope so~! I guess I just have an eye for talent. It just comes natural.

You're literally fucking Retarded.

@roycerolls said:

Poetic G says a lot of strange things, but lets not forget that he also makes some viable points. Obviously McCoy and Weeden were both inadequate quarterbacks, but Weeden had a FAR better situation as far as weapons and protection. The fact that Weeden couldn't deliver more wins than McCoy with the offensive upgrades he had truly speaks to his incompetence as an NFL qb.

McCoy was behind half of an O-line with Massoquai and Little and a far less qualified coach calling the plays.

The main problem, in my eyes, is that Weeden didn't come out earlier. If we had drafted him instead of McCoy, chances are good we would've been in position to draft Luck. Just think about Weeden playing behind the right side of the line that McCoy had to deal with! No Gordon, no TR (he DID have 12 Tds and over 1300 all purpose yards). Weedster would've set records for sacks taken as well as interceptions.

It all would've served the greater good, the browns would've been lucky to limp out of the 2011 season with one win, and we'd be watching the 2013 Browns in the playoffs under Andrew Luck's leadership. We'd be talking about the first round pick we got from Indy as if it was our first (because it would be) and things would be far more laid back here on the browns board.

We wouldn't be bitching about how lucky Indy is for going from Manning to Luck with only one down year. Fuck, Indy is going to be relevant for another ten years fresh off of their recent winnings due to their QB play....

So yes, McCoy is much better than Weeden, and yes the Browns SHOULD'VE drafted Weeden, they just did it at the wrong time. If that goofy bastard had only come out two years earlier, damn...

McCoys ceiling is an OK backup.

Weedens ceiling is practice squad starter.

McCoy is far from being the same as Hoyer, even if Hoyer stays a backup he's a damn better backup than McCoy.

McCoy was behind half of an O-line with Massoquai and Little and a far less qualified coach calling the plays.

The main problem, in my eyes, is that Weeden didn't come out earlier. If we had drafted him instead of McCoy, chances are good we would've been in position to draft Luck. Just think about Weeden playing behind the right side of the line that McCoy had to deal with! No Gordon, no TR (he DID have 12 Tds and over 1300 all purpose yards). Weedster would've set records for sacks taken as well as interceptions.

It all would've served the greater good, the browns would've been lucky to limp out of the 2011 season with one win, and we'd be watching the 2013 Browns in the playoffs under Andrew Luck's leadership. We'd be talking about the first round pick we got from Indy as if it was our first (because it would be) and things would be far more laid back here on the browns board.

We wouldn't be bitching about how lucky Indy is for going from Manning to Luck with only one down year. Fuck, Indy is going to be relevant for another ten years fresh off of their recent winnings due to their QB play....

So yes, McCoy is much better than Weeden, and yes the Browns SHOULD'VE drafted Weeden, they just did it at the wrong time. If that goofy bastard had only come out two years earlier, damn...

@poeticg said:

Your talent meter needs a trip to the repair shop. Colt may have a nice long career as a backup, but Richardson will be out of the league within 3 years.

Yup, a beastly 2.9 ypc, and like 4 carries for a yard in the Playoffs, ooh, man- I really want him back on the Browns- NOT!!!!

I wasn't going to attack him personally tho