XxDaBuckeyexX said:

Thank you for clearing that up, now kiss me!

Ice Dawg19 said:

Watch the highlights of him vs USC. You might change your mind.

Yea yea he had a bad game. I still think he has some great potential.

I'm starting to doubt he falls to #26 though and I don't think he's worth #4.

This guy is a legit Franchise QB.

YES! "Radioactive" - That's the situation in Cleveland- LOL

the guy is a tool. so i'm the most prolific personality for the upcoming pro football draft every year, and my mock drafts and opinions change every day, because i'm getting new information from some agent that just bought me an 8 ball allowing me to sniff a 5' line of blow off this hooker's ass?

same thing in the old day's of the radio game. agent brings in dope and cash and make sure you play my bands single every hour at the same time everyday until america realizes the band sucks, then on to another band and agent agent.

crazy man!

@the-gipper said:

Agree...

Also agree that Mel would make a lousy surgeon...

I'm not missing Kiper's entertainment value; it just wasn't what we were discussing.

@spectralcow said:

I don't disagree but I never said that he didn't deserve criticism to begin with, of course he does. But what you're missing is that Kiper's real job is to provide entertainment value to fans. I guarantee no NFL team listens to Kiper's draft and base their draft strategy around it. His real value to ESPN is to get on TV and make the viewers happy, which he's done well for 20+ years.

My personal favorite memory of Kiper is the year Clausen was drafted. He had such a boner for the guy and when it was obvious he was terrible Kiper looked like someone killed his dog.

I work in field that deals with research and theory. In my field, when you're wrong, people point it out publicly and at great length. Even though it is a theoretical field, and there may be no way of knowing that one is wrong at the time a particular theory is offered, the people in that field are still held accountable and are subject to criticism when they are wrong. We accept this as one of the many expected aspects of our field. We all knew it coming in, and we chose to enter the field anyway, knowing that we would all probably someday be called out for theorizing something that later turned out to be wrong.

That's my point with guys in positions like Kiper's. Obviously, no one is going to always be right in his position. Obviously, he's right more often than your average lay person. However, that does not entitle him to be wrong about his predictions without fear of criticism. Being the target of and accepting criticism when your theories/predictions are proven wrong is a known part of the position he accepted. If anything, this makes it MORE acceptable to criticize him, not less.

When you work in a field that calls for you to make predictions or formulate theories, your predictions and theories are expected to be correct, even though there's a reasonable chance you could be mistaken. When those theories/predictions are not correct, you and/or your work may become the target of criticism. That is an inherent peril of those types of jobs. If you accept a position like that, it does indeed become "fair" for people who do not accept positions like that to criticize you for being incorrect.

@spectralcow said:

OK, so: As far as I am concerned Mel Kiper is better at his job than anyone in America. So, does that satisfy your criteria?

@spectralcow said:

That's really an apples to oranges argument. Surgeons have very precise, medical training that is factual in nature. Weather people are wrong half the time too, it doesn't mean they are bad at their job. Doing any sort of mock draft is extremely unpredictable, as well as scouting players. I'm not trying to say I have a love affair with the guy but you don't stay in the business as long as Kiper has by being bad at what you do. He's also in a crappy position where people only like to point out when he's wrong, when he's right a lot of the time too.

@masterdog said:

And if any single one of us tried doing their job our efforts would be absolutely no better than your cleaning lady either.

The same guy that called Manziel a 2nd round pick at BEST in October.

The same guy that rated Geno Smith a top 3 pick in last year's draft.

The same guy that rated B. Gabbert a top 5 pick in 2011 draft.

Take a look at this article and you'll see guys like McShady and Kiper might be no better than your cleaning lady.

http://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2012/05/25/equally-inaccurate-an-analysis-of-mel-kiper-jr-and-todd-mcshays-draft-rankings/

@miktoxic said:

Mel is no better or worse than anyone else out there now doing the job that he essentially invented.

RUN FOR THE HILLS!!

btw. mel kiper couldn't pick his ass from a hole in the ground.

6'3" with a rocket arm and learn from Hoyer who sat behind Tom Brady for 2 seasons.. Ya, i can dig that.

Which means we will take Derek Carr, who will take us to the playoffs.

He has all the tools from which to draw from; he is mentally strong, has intelligence, a strong arm(a cannon), can make plays with his feet when needed but will give the pocket respect, he is accurate with his throws(gives the WR, and usually only the receiver a chance to make the play, throws it to where the receiver can make a play after the catch, puts good touch on his short throws and a zip on the quick ones) pretty much can flat out make all the throws, he doesn't come with all the hype of being the next R2D2 or Mike Vick, his brother was the number one overall draft pick at a relatively young age so he's grown up around the NFL and understands the business- he's not a young kid from the gutter with stars in his eyes.

I see the younger Carr, Derek doing great things in the future. Not saying that the other QB's will not have success, that would be foolish to pretend to know that, but in Derek Carr you have a young man that wants to be the best to ever play the position, a guy that will do the work needed- both in the classroom and on the field, both in practice and in games. He is our best chance, I believe, at QB.

He would also be a great understudy to a guy like Hoyer. Perfect match made in QB heaven IMO.