Ravens5220 said:

The settlement agreement was that Art Modell would be awarded a new NFL franchise in Baltimore and the Cleveland Browns franchise would remain intact. So, He didn't "leave" anything. All that stuff belonged to the franchise. It was the Court's order, not Art that did that.

As for Ozzie, I agree....he was offered a prestigious job as the first AA GM of an NFL team. He needed to take that job. (no one else was offering him anything similar). I don't know if loyalty to Art had a damn thing to do with it....but it was a good job offer and he had to say yes......and obviously he has done well.

@nickers said:

Awful...I mean listen to what you just said. Modell left all the history, heritage, and colors in Cleveland when he left. Ozzie is doing his job. Everyone in Baltimore knows hes a Cleveland Brown. But hes a Brown player and Ravens front office guy. So how can you say you dislike him? People have to make a living too and he had a loyalty to Art and he followed his guy (pretty sure he made the right choice).

@bbedward said:

Speaking of Mangini, why haven't the Browns interviewed him to come back? Oh, that's right- the Stooges want a puppet.

But after 3 SB wins, the players must respect the hell out of him.

Harder for a young unproven guy to get away with stuff like that. Although mangina was potentially progressing with the browns. But we'll never know because he got fired 5 minutes after holmgren walked into the interview.

@miktoxic said:

Well lets see...say your making 8.2 Mil a season per se..and your head coach makes 3.5 annually...do you really give a shit what he says to you?...thats what I thought...

@miktoxic said:

veni,vidi

@nickers said:

dude you should learn how to deal with all that hate. one bad road rage from high blood pressure stroke and it's no joke. it'll kill ya.

where have all the hard-nosed coaches gone? i mean knoll or cowher or even davis wouldn't have put up with shit that players are getting away with nowadays.

bunch of pussies.

@the-gipper said:

I still hate Ozzie to this day for slapping real Browns fans in the face,taking our franchise and SB's elsewhere..I hope he rots in hell with Art and Al...

Zombo said:

To be fair to the Browns to a point, when Chuck Noll was hired to run the Steelers the Browns HC was Blanton Collier who had taken the Browns to 4 NFL Title games in 6 years. Collier was still HC of the Browns for at least 3-4 years after Noll had taken that job.

And as for Bill Cowher......who did the Browns select as their coach instead of him? Bill Belichick....and we know all about him. Cowher was hired by the Steelers while BB was HC here.

And further about Cowher....I don't know if he would have made any difference to the whole Art Modell mess if he had been here.

Would he have become persona non grata like BB is here.....or would he have been excused and understood. like Ozzie Newsome is for going with the Ravens.

@bbedward said:

How? Simple. Poor ownership, poor management. Art Modell was originally OK....when the NFL was really a small time business. But starting in the 80s when it became really big business he became shit. And the last decent guy that the Browns have had control of the team was Ernie Accorsi.

@bbedward said:

And if you want go back further ... Chuck Knoll and Bill Cowher.

Real Annoying.

Zombo

Arians, bellichik, saban, trestman, Ryan, etc.

Kinda annoying.

Marc just edged out Kelly in my mind. Kelly was a big surprise to me, especially the degree to which he adapted his "system" to the players he had.