@where-s-vardell said:

You are right. Few college coaches make it and many fail. Just think Tressel is by far the best head coach for us with who is available. These other guys are coordinators with no head coaching experience. I know we tried Butch Davis who was a head coach and it did not work out. I just think Tressel should at least be in the conversation. Tressel is a good fit for us and we sure could use a players coach. I suspect a lot of our guys are a little upset over losing the whole coaching staff.

They should be more upset they lost 12 games.

I like Tressel, but there must be a reason he hasn't been seriously considered for any NFL coaching position.

Regardless, sounds like we're getting Pettine. If so hopefully he's one of Billick's good apples and wins many games for many years with us.

@where-s-vardell said:

Well, when it comes to proven winners and losers.....a guy that is a proven winner in college can turn into a proven loser in the NFL.

There are a litany of names out there to prove it.

Occasionally a good college coach also does well in the pros.

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If you ain't cheating you aint trying, ask Bill Bellicheck.....everybody does it on one level or another, players juicing, Mike Tomlin trying to trip kick returners, Jim Harbaugh working a deal with his brother to get Anquan Boldin for a 5th round pick, any competitive advantage you can get....players, coaches, GM's they all do it.

@the-gipper said:

I thought this was about Del Rio. How did it turn into Tressel?

Maybe you don't think it was a big deal, maybe I don't think it was a big deal, but SOMEONE who mattered thought it was a big enough deal that it cost the team and resulted in his resignation. What's "a big deal" is probably better left to those whose opinions matter (to the sport, not to me).

This argument is raised a lot by people after they get caught. It's not a big deal to video tape the other team, to use performance enhancers, to use ineligible players, to use a corked bat, etc. My question is, if it wasn't a big deal, why risk wins, a season, a record, a career by doing it? It's like cheating on your wife and, after you're caught, defending it with "She meant nothing to me!" Great, so something that is insignificant to you meant more to you than our relationship.

Lol, this conversation has taken a strange turn. Now Kelly and Carroll are involved? What's the point here? That it IS okay to violate the rules? I already said (in my very first post on Tressell, in fact) that the Browns would probably win with him as coach. So,... what is it that you're arguing? I'm arguing that whether or not you win, I'm not that keen on trying to get away with breaking the rules.

@clevelandmilidh said:

Both of those guys jumped ship from there schools which had much worse violations than Tressel had. They would have been facing the same or worse NCAA sanctions if they had stuck around.

@where-s-vardell said:

I thought this was about Del Rio. How did it turn into Tressel?

@spectralcow said:

Chip Kelly? Pete Carroll? there doing pretty good.......

@spectralcow said:

Rules violations, resignation as a result of those allegations, and vacation of victories/a season don't seem all that classy to me.

I'm not saying Tressel is a bad coach. I'm saying that there were some problems in the past that may be red flags for the possibility of future issues. The guy DID win. No arguing that. The way in which he won, at least one year, was not inside the scope of the rules and regulations.

He used players that he wasn't supposed to because they traded autographs for tattoos.

Hardly that big of a deal. He always looked out for his players best interests.

I'm not saying Tressel is a bad coach. I'm saying that there were some problems in the past that may be red flags for the possibility of future issues. The guy DID win. No arguing that. The way in which he won, at least one year, was not inside the scope of the rules and regulations.

@nickers said:

Past 6 seasons:

Tomlin - 2 Superbowl appearances and 1 Superbowl Victory.

Harbaugh - 1 Superbowl Victory

Lewis - 3 straight playoff appearance

@comeonman said:

You would lose your bet. And in fact, it IS a bit of a regional vacation spot. You have the Amistad National Recreation area there and with that there is a dam which created the Amistad Reservoir.....to which a number of boaters/fisherman enjoy.

It is there that I first laid eyes on a "Horse Crippler" Cactus. Nasty things.

@the-gipper said:

Yes, I am talking about the ex-Jags coach Jack Del Rio, not about the town on the Texas/Mexico border.

I thought he did a pretty good job in Jacksonville, even though overall he had a sub-.500 record Note: the best QB he ever had during his tenure there was David Garrard. So it is not like he had a ton of offensive talent in his corner. Here are his coaching stats:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/DelRJa0.htm

@the-gipper said:

OK, and why not? I know they didn't do that well lately, but then you had Blaine Gabbert and Chud Henne....what were you expecting?

This. Jacksonville just has such little talent. Hardly the coaches fault IMO.

@wvumountaineer said:

OK, and why not? I know they didn't do that well lately, but then you had Blaine Gabbert and Chad Henne....what were you expecting?