<![CDATA[HOF Class decided Saturday]]>The Election process for the 2014 Pro Football Hall of Fame Class will take place on Saturday in New York. Here is the link to the HOF website which gives the bios of each of the 17 Finalists from which a maximum of 7 can be selected for induction:

http://www.profootballhof.com/enshrinement/2014/1/9/class-of-2014-finalists-revealed/

Note: NO ONE associated with the Cleveland Browns is up for consideration. The only person in this group with connections with Northeast Ohio is Eddie DeBartolo Jr., who was born/raised in Youngstown (but of course is associated with the 49ers.)

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Zombo said:

A punter makes it!

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Strahan

Brooks

Reed

Jones

Williams

Guy

Humphrey

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/383684https://brownsboard.com/post/383684Sun, 02 Feb 2014 00:42:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to HOF Class decided Saturday on Fri, 31 Jan 2014 15:46:34 GMT]]>The logjam at WR could only get worse next year as these are some of the first time eligibles next year:

Torry Holt

Isaac Bruce

(do these guys deserve it more that the Tim Brown/Harrison/Reed team?

also:

Edgerrin James (who is more deserving? He or Bettis)

Ty Law

Kevin Mawae

Orlando Pace (a probably selectee)

Junior Seau (guarnteed in my mind to be elected)

Kurt Warner ( a probably selection)

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/383425https://brownsboard.com/post/383425Fri, 31 Jan 2014 15:46:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to HOF Class decided Saturday on Fri, 31 Jan 2014 15:39:55 GMT]]>These are the "positions" that do make up the finalists:

1 Coach: Dungy

1 Owner: DeBartolo

1 OG: Shields

1 OT: Jones

1 Punter: Ray Guy

1 Kicker: Morten Andersen

1 RB: Bettis

2 DBs: Williams, Lynch

3 WRs: Brown, Reed, Harrison

5 DE/OLBs: Strahan, Humphrey, Greene, Haley, Brooks

We have a similar logjam now that we had when it was Brown/Reed/Carter. Carter gets in and Harrison comes along.

Then there are those pass rushers. I personally think Brooks is the top dog there.....and more logjam to follow.

Does anyone agree with Warren Sapp that Strahan does not belong?

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Zombo said:

Plunkett was no Hall of Famer. He had a 4-5 year stretch that was memorable. Rest of his career was forgettable.

Z

You might be able to say the same thing about half the guys that are in the HOF.

Truly, Joe Namath's memorable period was about 1 year.

I am not saying that he should be in....I am only saying that his stats in terms of passer rating and completion % were by no means poor in relation to his contemporaries.

(but, anyway, he is not up for consideration. In fact, there is not a QB in the 17 finalists.)

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/383417https://brownsboard.com/post/383417Fri, 31 Jan 2014 15:31:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to HOF Class decided Saturday on Fri, 31 Jan 2014 03:31:09 GMT]]>Plunkett was no Hall of Famer. He had a 4-5 year stretch that was memorable. Rest of his career was forgettable.

Z

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/383342https://brownsboard.com/post/383342Fri, 31 Jan 2014 03:31:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to HOF Class decided Saturday on Thu, 30 Jan 2014 20:06:01 GMT]]>Greene made it to the SB only one year, and that was the 90's Steelers team that lost to the Cowboys, right? (1994 or 95 I believe) Just trying to figure out why he gets a nod and Matthews doesn't. Makes no sense to me. His brother is in, and his son probably will be someday. Not saying he should get in because of his family, just that the talent is obviously there.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/383283https://brownsboard.com/post/383283Thu, 30 Jan 2014 20:06:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to HOF Class decided Saturday on Thu, 30 Jan 2014 17:11:24 GMT]]>Kevin Green was a fine Linebacker but puhleeze...He was no where near the longevity of Clay Mathews Sr. Who IMO deserves to be in. Not Kevin Green

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/383269https://brownsboard.com/post/383269Thu, 30 Jan 2014 17:11:24 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to HOF Class decided Saturday on Thu, 30 Jan 2014 15:04:11 GMT]]>But, how about TD%? Here is the whole group:

Luckman 7.9

Herber 6.9

Graham 6.6

Dawson 6.4

Tom Thompson 6.4 (2 titles

Baugh 6.2

Waterfield 6.0

Morrall 6.0

Jurgenson 6.0

Banda 5.9

Peyton 5.8

Griese 5.6

Unitas 5.6

Young 5.6

Tittle 5.5

Brady 5.5

Bradshaw 5.4

Layne 5.3

Tarkenton 5.3

Staubach 5.2

Warner 5.1

Rote 5.1

Montana 5.1

Roethlisberger 5.0

Marino 5.0

Favre 5.0

Kelly 5.0

Starr 4.8

Namath 4.6

Eli 4.6

Fouts 4.5

Plunkett 4.4

Moon 4.3

Elway 4.1

Luck 3.9

Kosar 3.7

Aikman 3.5

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/383253https://brownsboard.com/post/383253Thu, 30 Jan 2014 15:04:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to HOF Class decided Saturday on Thu, 30 Jan 2014 14:34:35 GMT]]>Completion % for various QBs:

Blanda 47.7

Layne 49.5

Namath 50.1

Waterfield 50.3

Williams 49.5

Kemp 46.7

Rote 45.7

Morrall 51.3

Bradshaw 51.9

Plunkett 52.5

Unitas 54.6

Tittle 55.2

Graham 55.8

Griese 56.2

Staubach 57.0

Tarkenton 57.0

Jurgenson 57.1

Dawson 57.1

Starr 57.4

Plunkett's passer rating and completion pcts were right in good line with his contemporaries.

The thing that skewed things a bit is that Joe Montana came along with his WCO and completion pcts. went way up because that system became a dink/dunk deal and yes, completion pcts. began to inch up as that WCO became more and more in vogue.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/383239https://brownsboard.com/post/383239Thu, 30 Jan 2014 14:34:35 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to HOF Class decided Saturday on Thu, 30 Jan 2014 14:29:30 GMT]]>Quarterback ratings for various people:

Jack Kemp 57.3 ....won 2 titles

Tobin Rote 56.8.....won 2 titles

Doug Williams....69.4 won 1 title

Jim Plunkett....67.5....won 2 titles

Joe Namath...65.5....won 1 title HOF

Terry Bradshaw 70.9....won 4 titles HOF

George Blanda...60.6 HOF

Bob Waterfield...61.6....2 titles HOF

Bobby Layne...63.4....2 titles HOF

I mean, like 8 out of the 10 best passer rating QBs in history are active because of the advantages QBs have now.

Compare Plunkett et al to contemporaries. Not by current standards.

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@hoorta said:

Go look at Plunkett's career stats and tell me he deserves in http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PlunJi00.htm 52% completion rate, more TDs than interceptions, and a qbr of 67. If he deserves in, put Doug Williams in too- because he won a Super Bowl. Plunkett for the most part sucked. Don't believe it? His career qbr is worse than Brandon Weeden's.

But you cannot compare a guy like that to the kind of stats that people put now.

If you look at Terry Bradshaw and Joe Namath's stats they are more similar to Plunkett than to that of today's QBs.

Both Bradshaw and Namath threw as many ints. as TDs. Both had completion pct.s around 50%. And I suspect ther QB ratings were not dissimilar.

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@the-gipper said:

Both Stabler and Plunkett get short shifted as well. Plunkett is the only eligible 2 time SB winner who is not in the HOF.

Go look at Plunkett's career stats and tell me he deserves in http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PlunJi00.htm 52% completion rate, more TDs than interceptions, and a qbr of 67. If he deserves in, put Doug Williams in too- because he won a Super Bowl. Plunkett for the most part sucked. Don't believe it? His career qbr is worse than Brandon Weeden's.

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@bob806 said:

Tom Flores, yes he was a good one. He rebuilt the Raiders after Madden, and overcame Air Coryell.

What about Kenny Stabler? I wonder if he pissed people off or something, he never gets recognized either.

See above. I suspect winning under 100 games, and only being 10 games over .500 has something to do with the situation with Flores not getting in. He did later coach a fairly bad Seahawks team.

Both Stabler and Plunkett get short shifted as well. Plunkett is the only eligible 2 time SB winner who is not in the HOF.

OH, and FYI, Coryell was a semifinalist who did not make the Finalist list. (but...Coryell never won a title)

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/383167https://brownsboard.com/post/383167Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:55:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to HOF Class decided Saturday on Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:51:31 GMT]]>Comparative coaching stats:

Brian Billick 80-64 4 playoff years 1 title

Blanton Collier 76-34-2 5 playoff years 1 title 1 title game loss (3 if you include NFL title games in 68/69)#

Bill Cowher 148-90-1 10 playoff years 1 title 1 title game loss

Mike Ditka (as coach) 121-95 7 playoff years 1 title

Tony Dungy 139-69 11 playoff years 1 title

Tom Flores 97-87 5 playoff years 2 titles

Jon Gruden 95-81 5 playoff years 1 title

Jimmy Johnson 80-64 6 playoff years 2 titles

George Seifert 114-62 7 playoff years 2 titles

Mike Holmgren 161-111 12 playoff years 1 title 1 title game loss

Dick Vermeil 120-109 6 playoff years 1 title 1 title game loss

Mike Shanahan 170-138 8 playoff years 2 titles

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/383163https://brownsboard.com/post/383163Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:51:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to HOF Class decided Saturday on Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:49:04 GMT]]>Tom Flores, yes he was a good one. He rebuilt the Raiders after Madden, and overcame Air Coryell.

What about Kenny Stabler? I wonder if he pissed people off or something, he never gets recognized either.

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@bob806 said:

I think it's a joke Kevin Greene is on the ballot, and Clay Matthews has never been nominated (to my knowledge).

I agree completely.

Jerome Bettis, I don't know if he's worthy, but the Steelers seem to get all their guys in.

Probably deserves it. But Roger Craig was deleted at the semifinal stage, and imo probably deserved to get in more.

Ray Guy, Andre Reed, Mike Strahan, & Claude Humphrey should get in. The Browns fan in me doesn't want Tony Dungy in, his decision in 2007 to sit his regulars stung us (along with DA in Cincy),

Tony Dungy wouldn't get a sniff if he weren't AA. He would be Brian Billick otherwise.

And I always have to scratch my head why a Hispanic 2 time SB winner like Tom Flores doesn't get any consideration.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/383159https://brownsboard.com/post/383159Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:25:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to HOF Class decided Saturday on Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:16:15 GMT]]>I think it's a joke Kevin Greene is on the ballot, and Clay Matthews has never been nominated (to my knowledge).

Jerome Bettis, I don't know if he's worthy, but the Steelers seem to get all their guys in.

Ray Guy, Andre Reed, Mike Strahan, & Claude Humphrey should get in. The Browns fan in me doesn't want Tony Dungy in, his decision in 2007 to sit his regulars stung us (along with DA in Cincy),

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/383156https://brownsboard.com/post/383156Wed, 29 Jan 2014 18:16:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to HOF Class decided Saturday on Wed, 29 Jan 2014 17:01:59 GMT]]>Here are the teams that do have affiliations with various members of this Finalist Class. (Note: one player/person could have multiple affiliations: e.g.Morten Andersen played for 5 teams in his career. Or Tony Dungy coached both Bucs and Colts):

Buccaneers: 4

49ers: 3

Rams: 3

Falcons: 2

Giants: 2

Chiefs: 2

Steelers: 2

Raiders: 2

Colts: 2

Saints: 1

Panthers: 1

Cowboys: 1

Eagles: 1

Seahawks: 1

Broncos: 1

Bills: 1

Redskins: 1

Cardinals: 1

Thirteen teams have no affiliation with any of these finalists.

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