@calfoxwc said:

Great post!

watched the Browns play....and the University of Akron Rubber Bowl back in the day. My favorite player

then was Leroy Kelly. But Kosar never gave up, either, and gimped the Browns to an overtime win vs

the Jets, I think it was, on an injured ankle.

I want another brilliant qb who was that kind of leader like Kosar and Sipe, with solid talent all around him,

and though we have Haden, we need another tandem like Hanford and Minnefield, (well, even though Minnefield

drove me crazy with penalties)... add a cb to the mix.

And I don't care where they get the talent - just make every draft pick count. Pick players who love the game,

are hungry, are team players and have enough character to stay out of trouble. I'm still cringing at what Scumbardi

could do if he has much input with the Browns draft this spring.

you can kiss my a**!

@miktoxic said:

The silence says it all ............

@the-gipper said:

Otto Graham had 44 rushing TDs with his career with the Browns. Which, by the way is currently the most all time. Steve Young had 43.

("NFL" records will show Young with most....but with AAFC Otto has more)

I knew he had run for some,but was not aware it would be that much...Impressive when you think there were hardly any rules on defense back then...

@nickers said:

Otto Graham had 44 rushing TDs with his career with the Browns. Which, by the way is currently the most all time. Steve Young had 43.

("NFL" records will show Young with most....but with AAFC Otto has more)

@walterwhite said:

uh hem......

anything to say for yourself now douchebag?

@mike-h said:

you're a lying sack of shit. YOU HAVE NO STANCE? in every post you make you sure make us all know what your stance is. if you don't get your QB doll in may you'll go hide under your bed and cry.

don't sleep on this mouth-breathing fossil.

intelligence specialist. yeah i met a couple of those queers when at ft devens was the main compound for the army intelligence HQ. let me guess you got your master's over the internet?

fuck you hoag. hoag smokes the hog.

@miktoxic said:

thank you lordy lordy lord.

can we get the stats on team's with the best defense in super bowl victories vs. the team with the best offense?

walterwhite is probably too young to remember bill parcells but he had a great quote that still rings true today:

DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.

don't ever forget it.

Good call my friend.

This Walter White homo will start a thread asking for you to be banned by morning.

Z

@mike-h said:

you're really sensitive. I have no stance, just discussing other points of view, something you're incapable of doing because you're a mouthbreathing fossil. GFY

and I was an Intelligence specialist, and have a masters in journalism, thanks.

@walterwhite said:

For the record.....go Fuck yourself Walter.....I look just like the guy, I hear it 3 times a week.....I am the Danger.

@walterwhite said:

Guys in bold had amazing defenses on their team. Other three had defenses that got hot in playoffs.

It will always be about balance. Lots of great QBs have lost the SB too.

Zombo

@walterwhite said:

Sorry man, you don't know what you are talking about. I have been talking the spread and how it is going(now taking) over the NFL for 3-4 years now. I don't want a damn dropback QB. I want a guy who can run as well as throw.

As to the other points, No, you don't need 5 pro-bowl lineman, but you need a good line, and as far as the back is concerned, they come in all sizes and shapes. I don't really care as long as he is money.

OH....I have blasted fullbacks for a decade or more. A wasted position. If you want blocking, but a reserve guard back there. I'd rather see another receiver on the field or go with a 2 back set. I mean 2 real backs who can both run and catch.

@mike-h said:

ok pal.

you claim to have stated that you have no stand in how the browns draft, except in every post since the end of 'our' season you have made it totally clear if they don't pick a QB @4 you'll go nuts. i sure as hell wouldn't want to be in your household when that non-QB pick comes in.

and obviously you aren't a professional at anything except spouting your cynical views of other fans who don't agree with you.

great job. not bad for a cook.

go fuck yourself poser.

@mike-h said:

Mike as I said before I normally hold your posts and you in high regard. When I or another poster say things like " I don't believe" or "I am not sold on" etc regarding the QB talent in this draft we are not making definitive statements about that talent. We are simply attempting to have dialogue on a Browns fan board about our team and the upcoming draft. I don't believe that I, the poster you originally responded to or most others have declared definitively that there is no elite QB in the draft, we simply have reservations. I like Bryan Hoyer but I am pretty sure that neither I or anyone else on this board sees him as the next coming of Joe Montana. I am also pretty sure most of us are in touch with reality enough to know we don't sway the Browns scouting staff opinions. With Lombardi's fingers in that pie you might wish we did.

The fact is you are saying you are not sure they are elite and you are not sure they aren't. For those of us prefacing statements with as detailed above we are essentially saying the same damn thing. At the end of the day I don't give a shit who ends up right or wrong. I want the same thing as you, a Browns team thats winning football games.

how are you ever going to do a job that you yourself want to do without being unbiased.

you are seriously on the MUST HAVE QB bandwagon.

even seasoned professionals in the journalism field have conflicted opinions of how the browns will pick @4.

for you to get all butthurt because another fan of the same team you root for suggests something else, giving their own opinion, is just jaw-dropping.

get a hold of yourself dude. this ain't life or death. this ain't afghanistan.

@mike-h said:

Mike I normally am on board with your posts you are an exceptionally solid guy. I will even go so far as to agree that QB's have a higher weighted value. The reality is though the reverse of what you say is just as true. Just because YOU think we should take a QB at 4 and he may be a superstar doesn't mean fuck all either. Considering I have been buying tickets and supporting the Browns for likely the same amount of time as you my opinion on what we should do in the draft matters every bit as much as yours. Reaching for someone in the top four makes no sense if we aren't convinced they will be a stud. Reaching is what causes the litter pile of failed QB draft picks. The drafts are littered with MANY top tier pick QB's who aren't even in football a couple years later. At the end of the day Mike you , myself and every other guy here (with the exception of trolls) want the same thing. A winning team. We just don't all agree how to get there and that's ok.

I rest My case....

@gftchris said:

Why do I get the feeling someone's just done the brownsboard equivalent of this:

i first started watching home-grown football with the minnifield/dixon, metcalf, byner and mack browns,

the fact that some young dumb xbox360 player can come in here and tell us guys that are closer to 60 than 40 has me all up in arms (meanwhile the douche has an avatar with andre the giant in it) goes to show me that he knows less than me about football.

hell if i wanna know stats and FO workings i'll ask TCPO cuz he knows everything about football and recruiting for his div 3 iv cactus league team.

derek carr would fuck up anyone in your league, correct?