@thenew23 said:

i agree. but the rush to get some over-hyped QB (over-hyped because there are soooo many teams looking for the golden ticket QB) is astounding to me. i mean at this point it's like a poker game. who knows who will be the consensus #1QB come may? if bortles is there @4 would i mind grabbing him? no? but to talk about trading up and losing picks because our FO is blinded by the awe of manziel would be crazy in my mind. i could a guy like him playing fine in AZ or houston (because of the temp) but in the AFCN i think the guy would crumble. that's just my opinion. hell i've been way off base before.

if we switched back to the 4-3 then clowney would be a no brainer. if all good QBs worth a top 5 pick are gone and clowney is also, what do we do, grab watkins? grab another D player? i dunno.

but we do need bigger taller faster D backfield guys. i don't care if they come from the first round or UDFAs.

@ballpeen said:

Short, to the point and I agree 100%

@jeffinwv said:

YOu know he's dead right?

@the-gipper said:

Cool.....kind of strange how my comment and your family connection crossed paths in a Manning thread.

@ballpeen said:

My Father-in-Law was Andy North's high school golf coach. Its true.

If this was true, then Andy North would be considered with the greats of golf. He won 3 tournaments in his career. Two just happened to be US Opens.

@the-gipper said:

I couldn't agree more

@miktoxic said:

Our defense might just be an offense away from being finished... We could have 11 top 5 picks on the defense, but if the offense can't convert 3rd downs it won't mean sh**...

People say that if he had won that he would be the GOAT because he would have been the only QB to win a SB with 2 different teams.

Well......what it would have done is tie him in that category with Tobin Rote. Rote won titles with 2 teams (Lions/Chargers)...and I don't see too many of you touting Tobin Rote as the GOAT.

Hell....Kurt Warner came a lot closer....within seconds. No one thinks of him as the GOAT.

Peyton will NOT slip from being a Top Ten QB.....maybe even Top 5. Even if he had won I am not so sure that he would have put himself above the likes of Baugh/Luckman/Graham/Elway/Marino/Montana/Brady/Starr/Bradshaw

He is still in that group. He is not demoted....nor would a win have promoted him beyond them.

Not in my opinion.

@jrb12711 said:

Whenever Peyton had the time, he did fine. And Denver's D did not exactly stand up after the 'Hawks first three series.

Seahawks simply dictated the game by not allowing Peyton the time he needed in the first half.

As a result by halftime the game circumstances added their weight to Seattle's will and the game was essentially over.

All that said, I thought the most impressive time for Seattle came on the Offensive series following Denver's lone TD. They resisted the inclination to go conservative and run run run the clock, and instead kept the game in Wilson's hands and passed passed passed to a TD that told the Broncos to...

fuggedaboutit...

Denver ran into a buzzsaw, and yes some plays (the kickoff TD, the safety, and the fumble) weren't on him. But Manning also made terrible decisions and crapped the bed too. I was genuinely rooting for the guy because I wanted him to get a 2nd ring, but I've never seen people not just on here but everywhere make excuses for a guy more than Manning. Cris Carter said it best this morning (I'm paraphrasing here): Why does Manning get a pass for criticism? Marino didn't, Brady doesn't, other greats don't. So why should Manning get the tired excuses people make every time he goes out there and doesn't play well?

@tour2ma said:

Hell yea.

If Cleveland builds defenise and pushes their record to 7-9,8-8,9-7 then its much much harder to get the QB and WR that are most likely to be great players.

If they improve D this year they will likely draft lower next year and the QB,s will be gone

@miktoxic said:

I'm starting to feel this way also. We can still end up with a QB and improve our D.

@jeffinwv said:

LOL... "zumbo"... gotta remember that...

@bbedward said:

Peyton had less time than usual, IMO that's the o.nly way to beat peyton.

In general it's the only way to beat any top QB. It's just easier to beat Peyton with pressure because he's at that immobile, nearing-the-end-of-his-career stage.

@miktoxic said:

passing league and fagboy QB talk ain't got nothing on a 6' 3" 250 pound safety that will crack you in half when you come across the middle or a pass rush that has you look like the lead penguin in 'happy feet'.

now od you little fags realize why i like clowney @4?

So your plan is to put Clowney at Safety? BRILLIANT!

@jeffinwv said:

No it doesn't. He is the best qb of this generation. He is a 1st ballot HOF'er

@miktoxic said:

like i always say

DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.

passing league and fagboy QB talk ain't got nothing on a 6' 3" 250 pound safety that will crack you in half when you come across the middle or a pass rush that has you look like the lead penguin in 'happy feet'.

now od you little fags realize why i like clowney @4?

I think the main reason more people haven't mentioned clowney is one of the 3 teams above us will take him.

But I'm not a pro scout like Mike H, so my opinion in February is irrelevant.

@miktoxic said:

we have enough picks if used wisely to do a little on both sides. but why not finish one side of the ball with your prime picks? the defense is much closer to being finished with a couple of high draft picks and a FA signing here or there.

guess banner was kicking himself in the ass when we didn't acquire avril from detroit after seeing his performance tonite.

instead we got kreuger. weep wop.

We have enough picks and cap space to improve on both sides. But you're right in that the defense is closer to being a top of the league unit then the offense. I'd stick with Hoyer, pick another QB in the mid rounds (Boyd if he's truly going to fall), and play kick ass defense and see what happens.

@mark-o said:

we have enough picks if used wisely to do a little on both sides. but why not finish one side of the ball with your prime picks? the defense is much closer to being finished with a couple of high draft picks and a FA signing here or there.

guess banner was kicking himself in the ass when we didn't acquire avril from detroit after seeing his performance tonite.

instead we got kreuger. weep wop.

@miktoxic said:

like i always say

DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.

passing league and fagboy QB talk ain't got nothing on a 6' 3" 250 pound safety that will crack you in half when you come across the middle or a pass rush that has you look like the lead penguin in 'happy feet'.

now od you little fags realize why i like clowney @4?

I'd be perfectly fine with us building a truly stout defense and worrying about the offense later.

DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.

passing league and fagboy QB talk ain't got nothing on a 6' 3" 250 pound safety that will crack you in half when you come across the middle or a pass rush that has you look like the lead penguin in 'happy feet'.

now od you little fags realize why i like clowney @4?

@clevelandmilidh said:

So you think they should've stopped doing what got them to the superbowl against a D were short passes are your best chance. Makes since

It's not like he didn't try going deep at all, they just weren't completed

Thats interesting that Manning has thrown more short passes than any other QB though...isn't that the big knock on the Carr kid?

Seattle's defense is also super talented.

Peyton had less time than usual, IMO that's the only way to beat peyton.

Peyton didn't play a good game though, its not his fault entirely obviously, but he didn't play good. There's no refuting he isn't great by anybody. Today he was bad.