@tour2ma said:

OK.... I wonder what Kyle thinks Wheezy's talent is?

Was too nice to answer.

Said he coached him in senior bowl and thought he was a decent guy, but didn't evaluate him a lot because they knew they were going with rg3.

Said he's only been in town for 3 days and hasn't had enough time to evaluate our QBs on film.

Oh yeah.

Weeden dazzled scouts in practice at the senior bowl and had some people raving. Then in the actual game he had 5 completions with 2 interceptions? Sounds kind of familiar lol.

@miktoxic said:

In his press conference he said the system needs to be flexible so it can work around what your QB does best.

So according to Shanny, system around the QB's talent.

@tour2ma said:

he's selling something...........and i can smell it all the way from NY.

are we going to base a system around a QB or vice versa?

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Is Shannie selling decoder rings?

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

@MaryKayCabot: #Browns OC Shanahan on drafting a quarterback: "you don't need a certain type of QB, you need the best one.''

@tour2ma said:

In 2012, Bryant was DT in a 4-3 at Oakland.

2012 - 16 games played - 36 total tackles (26 solo), 4 sacks, 6 TFL, 1 pass deflected, 1 kick block, and 1 FF

2013 - 12 games played - 31 total tackles (11 solo), 3.5 sacks, and 2 TFL

Seems just as disruptive when playing in a 4-3...

@thenew23 said:

Bryant was a DE in our 3-4. I do not see him having the same disruptive success at DT in a 4-3.

My bad on DQ... ILB/ MLB since 2006. I have always felt he was miscast inside.

@roycerolls said:

They have meds errrrr ummm I mean nutrition and conditioning to fix that

@tour2ma said:

Desmond Bryant was our most disruptive D-lineman last year before he got hurt, and one of our highest paid... why would you not see him in the rotation?

Also, DQJ never played OLB... and he was much more effective in his 2 seasons in the 4-3 than he ever was in his career... I'd add a player behind him to groom, but he is more than capable of starting at ILB with 4 linemen in front of him... he shrinks when there are only 3...

@the-gipper said:

I stated it by omission?

I can link to my cases against Bridgewater and Manziel, who are the only two QBs in the draft to even approach consensus Can't Miss status... and neither is really that close from all I have read.

@thenew23 said:

Ideally, I think our D would look good as a 4-3...

Taylor/Bryant in the middle, Kruger/Sheard on the outside, Jackson in the middle, Mingo/Robertson at OLB, Haden/Skrine at CB, Ward at SS, and a gaping hole at FS

Agree on the 4-3... but do not see Bryant in any DT rotation. I see Taylor/ Rubin/ Winn/ Hughes...

If you think DQ is your MLB (I do not), then draft Barr at #4 and set your LB corps Mingo-Jackson-Barr. I'd move DQ back outside, and snag Borland in the 3rd for my MLB... Mingo-Borland-Jackson.

Not sure what to do at FS...

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

If Pettine stays true to his "put the best players on the field" mantra, we'll be running the good ol' 4-4.

Actually more like a revolutionary 7-2-2...

All that's guaranteed is that we will field 11 players on defense. Sometimes we'll have 7 up front, 4 in coverage. Other times we may have 8 up front. Other times we may have 5 or even 6 in coverage.

That's about the only guarantee you can make right now.

If Pettine stays true to his "put the best players on the field" mantra, we'll be running the good ol' 4-4.

@westside-steve said:

Ed Zachery...

@thenew23 said:

You don't have to list all the "can't miss" guys who turned out good, because I don't want to list all the "can't miss" guys who turned out to bust... thanks

I'll play along though:

If there were any "can't miss" players in this draft, here's who I think:

Anthony Barr - OLB - UCLA - at 6'4" 250 with great speed, he's a can't miss OLB for a 3-4 team b/c he doesn't have to convert - he played 3-4 OLB in college.

Jadaveon Clowney - DE - So.Car - he is ONLY a "can't miss" if he plays 4-3 DE. I would never call a pass rusher who has to convert to OLB as "can't miss"

Jake Matthews - OT - TA&M - it's easy to predict OTs will be "can't miss," but different blocking schemes and QB styles can affect guys at the next level

C.J. Mosley - LB - Alabama - I call him "can't miss" because he is very versatile. Can fit inside in a 3-4 or outside in a 4-3, either way he's always around the ball

Kony Ealy - DE - Missouri - another "can't miss" ONLY if he plays 4-3 DE. "Might" fit a 3-4 DE, but again, you never know when systems change

Question marks surrounding all the other players projected in the first round IMHO. There are other players that I think will be good, but I couldn't call them "can't miss." I would never put that label on a QB, RB, WR, or CB because it is so difficult to grade those positions b/c of the widespread level of competetion they are against in college... just my thoughts...

All the hits and busts I listed were players I pegged, not "common wisdom" or consensus choices. So you can't list all my busts, because you do not know all my choices. TR was one; Brian Bosworth was another, but I never understood the hype around Tony Manderich... so I have that going for me.

But glad you played along... substitute Watkins for Mosely and add Mack and you have my list... and your rationales are virtually identical to mine.

And good thoughts they are on "other players"... so good you've inspired another thread.

@beare said:

clowneys not a cant miss it all depends on his desire to play he seems to take games off

Was also a major concern of mine until recently.

@hunt-daddy said:

And the Colts drafted all of them.

LOL... damn... that's right!

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Clowney is from S.Car. Not Clempsun. Please fix that egregious mistake before he realizes it and eats the entire message board.

Done... sorry for jeopardizing the entire operation...

Taylor/Bryant in the middle, Kruger/Sheard on the outside, Jackson in the middle, Mingo/Robertson at OLB, Haden/Skrine at CB, Ward at SS, and a gaping hole at FS

That would be dependent on 3 things: 1-Mingo converting to the "Bruce Irvin-type" 4-3 OLB, 2-finding an upgrade to Robertson, and most importantly 3-we need a FS with great ball skills to round out what could be a stellar D...

I'd consider Haha Clinton-Dix a potential "can't miss" prospect at #26, but he'll probably be gone by then...

@westside-steve said:

Yes, but Pettine is presumably going to be calling the plays this season... That means hybrid 3-4/4-3, depending on situations. Last year the Bills played a lot of 4-man fronts with 5-6 in the secondary. I think Pettine will be game-planning based on the players we have, and the team we're facing, not necessarily focusing on a "base D."

I guess they plan to run an aggressive 3-4,4-3 hybrid defense.

Although I really can't recall Horton getting too creative with the D last year as much as it was hyped up to be before the season started.

WSS

IMO the 4-3 was better suited to this team. sheard could get loose and who knows what kreuger would have ended up doing.

since they haven't named a DC yet i guess it's all up in the air.

if they were to switch to a 4-3 clowney would be 'can't miss'.

there are no probs with his motor or taking games off. you've got to understand everyone was telling him to take the year off last year. he had just seen his team mate in lattimore lose his career the year before due to injury.....what would you have done?

WSS

@westside-steve said:

OK, but no position gets the attention that a QB gets.....look at this forum....90% of it is dedicated to yammering on and on about the QB position.

If Tour says "no QB in my opinion rates a can't miss" I would not argue...probably agree. But when you state that opinion on such a hot button topic people want to also know Why?

@tour2ma said:

True... Luck, P. Manning, Elway... maybe one per decade.

And the Colts drafted all of them.