So you wouldn't back the ravens if they sucked. Got it.

What do you want us to do? Start rooting for the ravens because the browns have had a bad streak?

You resort to calling me an idiot, and I referred to you as Ravens fan. Classy. And you came here to "talk football". Uh-huh.

I have not been to M&T Bank stadium to give an opinion on if the fan experence is superior or not. Have you been to Browns stadium to make this opinionated statement? Even if you have, Gipper is right: IF Ravens stadium is a better fan experience it's only due to winning. I bet Browns stadium is right there with the Ravens stadium as far as fan experience, and I guarantee you when the Browns make a playoff run it will crush the Ravens fan experience on their best day. Even further...Browns and a SB....Ravens fans might as well be whispering.

There is a reason no one in the NFL was doing it. It's Retarded. I also guarantee you no Browns fans tried to hack up Seven Nation Army by chanting it as a fight song, especially after Ravens started doing it. Ask fans of our other division rivals if they have...I bet the answer is the same.

Well, the Indians have been better run than the Orioles since the early 90s.

But, obviously the Ravens have been a quality franchise since they shed Art Modell in 1999. And the Browns have sucked under the Lerner ownership.....and Haslam hasn't started out well.

And yes, of all Cleveland teams, none of them began somewhere else. None of them are part of the 34.6% that have moved.

And FYI, I do NOT include the Ravens as being part of that "moved franchise" portion.

Why do you guys keep entertaining this fucking troll? I originally thought he/she was just Ratbird fan that wanted reasonable dialog with us Browns fans. NOT! Fuckin troll douche bag.

You laugh at how angry we are? We laugh at how stupid you are. Somehow, I think we got the better deal.

Yes, we have had a string of bad GMs.

Like we said: you got lucky to get Ozzie, and we were unlucky to not get him. No one debates that.

The only reason the "fan experience" at M&T stadium is superior is because the Ravens have been winners.

Anything else doesn't matter.

The one poster is right. You talk in circles and contradict yourself.

Hoorta's point is that Modell will have fired more HOF or near HOF coaches than just about any one ever. He did fire PB and BB....for what its worth, those two are Hall of Famers.

And just because you didn't win a title like Marty didn't mean he wasn't a good coach. Lots of good coaches never won titles: Chuck Knox, Bud Grant, Marv Levy, etc.

And FYI, Art didn't have a cabbage fart to do with hiring Harbaugh. That was Biscotti and Ozzie.

Prove it.. If it was on radio, I'm sure you can find the interview on the stations website

But show me something official. You opened your mouth. now prove it.

As for what do the Browns have that the Rats don't:

Winning pct...the Rats were what 8-8? Hardly Top 5% Sure, better than the Browns. Congratulations on being mediocre.

Draft picks? The Brown have 10 picks in the upcoming draft.

Pro Bowlers? The Browns had more: Gordon/Thomas/Mack/Cameron/Haden/Ward

Ravens: Yanda, Ngata, Suggs, Tucker

Championships? You have a couple. Of the 32 NFL franchises 14 of them have more than your measly 2, and 5 others have just as many. And the Browns have 8.

Well, the Indians have been better run than the Orioles since the early 90s.

But, obviously the Ravens have been a quality franchise since they shed Art Modell in 1999. And the Browns have sucked under the Lerner ownership.....and Haslam hasn't started out well.

And yes, of all Cleveland teams, none of them began somewhere else. None of them are part of the 34.6% that have moved.

And FYI, I do NOT include the Ravens as being part of that "moved franchise" portion.

You're an idiot....just because sundays in BALTIMORE and the fan experience in M&T Bank is far superior then to the one in Cleveland no need to hate. funny that you bring up the song and chant...if you listen around the league...everyone has started to "try" and do that since the Ravens won super bowl. Maybe it was taken from European soccer fans, but no one in the NFL had been doing it.

Baltimore > Cleveland in sports....no doubt about it.

Why do you guys keep entertaining this fucking troll? I originally thought he/she was just Ratbird fan that wanted reasonable dialog with us Browns fans. NOT! Fuckin troll douche bag.

I didn't know the numbers or percentages, but I had no doubt there were many that moved around. The point is, this douche wants to claim Ravens are superior in every way and that Cleveland pro sports teams are all "losers". Something to be proud of that the major league teams here are original home-grown and have stayed here.

LOL boy you're an idiot...yes all the players got these from Ray Lewis...who wears Modell on his shirt since the day he came here. (another fact you wouldn't know)...Ask Kruger next time you see him...what he thinks about Modell? And again, you're wrong...he got this shirt last year, but still wears it every game as a brown. He is on record of saying this on radio....

Sorry to upset you but its true. You may know your history and be some NFL expert, but you're wrong about this one.

I'm a big boy...I can handle all of this...I just laugh at how angry you people are. I understand how a mess your franchise is and that would upset me too, but sheesh.

It is far more than your current GM...they made a nice TRICH trade. LOL

Well, here is a statistic that you may be interested in:

Of the current 124 major league franchises in the MLB/NBA/NFL/NHL 43 of them began their existance in another city. That represent 34.6% or more than 1 in 3.

You're an idiot....just because sundays in BALTIMORE and the fan experience in M&T Bank is far superior then to the one in Cleveland no need to hate. funny that you bring up the song and chant...if you listen around the league...everyone has started to "try" and do that since the Ravens won super bowl. Maybe it was taken from European soccer fans, but no one in the NFL had been doing it.

Baltimore > Cleveland in sports....no doubt about it.