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@logicisforsquares said:

Is it the way of the future? There's a part of me thinking that in a place like detroit, you can get so much property on the cheap; you encourage this sort of community spirit and before you know it, you've got a lot of living space, in a city with all the infrastructure in place, inhabited largely by nice people. Could be a big killing to be made there, but also it might just be a nice plce to live.

Then reality kicks in and I think about all the poor people

Background

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-25834263

Today

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26608357

@the-cysko-kid said:

I think it is pretty obvious to speak for an entire generation when I am just relaying the results of public opinion polls on issues that I have brought up. I am not speaking in absolutes, just the average, majority opinion for the younger age. Does everyone think that way? No. But do we have the poll results and statistics to show which way this generation is headed on these issues? Yes

@gftchris said:

Exactly. Just because someone has more "experience" in the world does not mean they are correct. That does not mean they are always right over the younger guy. That does not excuse their beliefs from scrutiny, the need for facts, evidence, etc and it does not automatically write off the younger person's viewpoint.

@the-cysko-kid said:

I don't believe I ever did...

You seemed to think gays will never be treated the same or accepted. In that regard you are similar to those two.

@the-cysko-kid said:

See, I think that's what woody was talking about as the arrogance, perhaps condescension.

@mld-woody said:

I don't expect to solve all of the world's problems. I do think gays will be accepted. Most of the anti gay views are held by the old, who will die out, and the religious, who are fading. If there aren't people walking around acting like gays are 2nd class then the overall mindset will change as well.

I have no idea what the majority of youth in the 60s believe but I'd wager that they are more socially liberal in their older age than their parents were at the sane time. That is the point.

We aren't going to solve every social issue. We'll definitely make progress on the issues of today while at the same time having new social issues arise. My generation will not think the same when we're our parents' age as our parents do now. Just like our parents now don't think the same way their parents did. That's the point.

I am sure the same thing you are saying about gays has been said about many different groups, races, ethnicities, genders, etc over time. We don't even second guess most of them now. The same will happen. with gays. You may care. Cal may care. DieHard may care. I do not and the majority of my generation does not though.

I have no idea what the majority of youth in the 60s believe but I'd wager that they are more socially liberal in their older age than their parents were at the sane time. That is the point.

We aren't going to solve every social issue. We'll definitely make progress on the issues of today while at the same time having new social issues arise. My generation will not think the same when we're our parents' age as our parents do now. Just like our parents now don't think the same way their parents did. That's the point.

I am sure the same thing you are saying about gays has been said about many different groups, races, ethnicities, genders, etc over time. We don't even second guess most of them now. The same will happen with gays. You may care. Cal may care. DieHard may care. I do not and the majority of my generation does not though.

It was arrogant, in that article, to act like these people that switched from liberal to conservative at some point in their lives were now so much smarter, so much wiser. That before they were foolish and misguided. But then, they "opened their eyes", had an epiphany and transformed into a great and wise conservative. That is arrogant. That is acting like every liberal is just dumb kid that will "understand how things work some day."

Treating either side like that is stupid and probably a main reason why nothing gets done. When the majority of your posts are directed at the entire opposing ideology and how bad they are, or by lumping everyone that disagrees with you into "liberal", you add on to the problem.

it's fact.

There are people who will lock in their identity to a group. In fact, group security was one of

Mazlow's Hierarchy of Needs.

But there are many, many people who look at the world through more honest eyes - they see

the world through their experiences in life, in others' experiences, all sorts of factors.

Sometimes there is a vested interest in adopting a nearby groups' interests. I've seen guys who

told me they never smoked in their lives, only to join the service, and start smoking. Because

the guys around them did.

More and more life expeiences can concrete already held convictions. And, conflicting experiences

can change convictions. A friends' daughter used to think that all people should have an income, even

not having a job, etc. it was only fair.

...until she started working after hs, and saw how much she was paying in income tax. That really shocked her

into giving up the free stuff feel good nonsense. Then, it was a choice of "how can I work and not be able to pay

my own bills and go to college, when I'm being taxed for those who are happy not working and on welfare? "

Things do change. But a serious lack of experiences in the world doesn't help anybody understand much.

@the-cysko-kid said:

Actually it kinda does a little

I will always be socially liberal because I can't bring myself to give a shit what other people do if I am not involved. I will never just up and decide I want to be a nosy dick head and force my pet theories on life on to everyone else via the law.

2) Also, you don't become more conservative as you get older, like I said. Instead, your beliefs themselves might just become more conservative, like I was saying too.

and here is my link to back that up. It includes quotes by those damn brainwashing liberal professors though...

http://news.discovery.com/human/psychology/voter-conservative-aging-liberal-120119.htm

I am not going to age and then become religious. I am not going to age and then decide I should treat gays like 2nd class citizens. I am not going to age and then feel the govt. should have a good degree of control over a woman's body.

When I am older though there may be more liberal viewpoints out there in regards to my stances on these issues. Therefore, by comparison, my views could be conservative in a few decades. That is if I continue to keep them at the level they are or continue to stay on the more liberal, progressive side of things.

Here is another article that pretty much agrees with me - http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/13/older-more-rightwing

Talk to those who study these patterns and they'll explain that it's not the fact that people are in their late 60s or 70s that gives them these attitudes, but rather the specific period in which they were raised. On gay rights, many of today's senior citizens were shaped in a climate that saw homosexuals as deviants and criminals: for many, those views have simply stuck. It's not as if they were once tolerant and have hardened their hearts as they've grown older. Equally, there's no reason to believe that today's twentysomethings will become anti-gay as they age. On the contrary, the data suggests the attitudes forged now will be theirs for life.

(FYI, I am just searching "do you become more conservative as you grow older" not "PROOF MMGW IS A HOAX" or something....)

These articles speak of the time you've come to age as a major indicator for your political leanings throughout your life. I would like to think then I have come to age in a time of readily available information and reason. (Not to beat this point up again) I won't just look at some old book and say "Well, this book says it is this way, and my parents did it this way, and their parents did too, so I guess I will." I have access to the entirety of man's knowledge at my fingertips. I can view studies, polls, reports, scientific papers, etc. I have grown up with technology intertwined in my life, I have studied a very quantitative degree, I understand how to utilize these things. I can access multiple news outlets and multiple viewpoints. I am not limited in that regard in any way. I'd like to think I am coming to age in a time where I can objectively look at the facts presented to me and go from there, and not look at something in a completely black and white manner. I have access to the information needed to do this that made wasn't as easily gained decades ago. Every generation wants to think they can improve upon where the other left off. My dad is a successful guy, but I want to be more successful. I want to improve, progress in some way. I hope my kids do the same thing. I hope they look at whatever the information and facts are of their time, look at what developments we have made in their time, and construct their views from. I would hate for them to do something or think some way just because I did.