@rich4eagle said:

Rich... this isn't one of your psychiatric sessions. This is football. I agree with you that a lot of Browns fans accept and embrace mediocrity. What do you consider reality, anyway? Your version and the rest of ours seems to be quite different.

@rich4eagle said:

Hey, it isn't my opinion on the subject, it's the NFL's. If you can't grasp this, take it up with them.

mz. said:

In the NFL, a team's strength of schedule is the combined records of its 16 opponents,including games played against the team in question, and counting divisional opponents twice.

In the NFL, a team's strength of schedule is the combined records of its 16 opponents,including games played against the team in question, and counting divisional opponents twice.

In the NFL, a team's strength of schedule is the combined records of its 16 opponents,including games played against the team in question, and counting divisional opponents twice.

In the NFL, a team's strength of schedule is the combined records of its 16 opponents,including games played against the team in question, and counting divisional opponents twice.

In the NFL, a team's strength of schedule is the combined records of its 16 opponents,including games played against the team in question, and counting divisional opponents twice.

PS Thank you for the kind words.

keep reality deep buried in your denial......this again represents losers hating realitty...........admit it

@rich4eagle said:

Adam said:

Also I just pulled this quote from the NFL's explanation of how they select draft order....

"In the NFL, a team's strength of schedule is the combined records of its 16 opponents,including games played against the team in question, and counting divisional opponents twice."

I don't know why you're making this so difficult. I'll copy and paste Adam's response a few more times if this isn't sufficient.

In the NFL, a team's strength of schedule is the combined records of its 16 opponents,including games played against the team in question, and counting divisional opponents twice.

In the NFL, a team's strength of schedule is the combined records of its 16 opponents,including games played against the team in question, and counting divisional opponents twice.

In the NFL, a team's strength of schedule is the combined records of its 16 opponents,including games played against the team in question, and counting divisional opponents twice.

In the NFL, a team's strength of schedule is the combined records of its 16 opponents,including games played against the team in question, and counting divisional opponents twice.

In the NFL, a team's strength of schedule is the combined records of its 16 opponents,including games played against the team in question, and counting divisional opponents twice.

PS Thank you for the kind words.

@rich4eagle said:

Rich, I'm sorry that we provoke you to call the rest of us names. I think it's obvious that we provoke you with our stupidity ... thanks for holding back, I'd hate for this to be a two-sided mud slinging contest, it is much more acceptable if it's just lobbed from your end.

Please carry on, sir.

@rich4eagle said:

oops upon further review yu went stupid with a dumbfuquge heard.........oh my

OOPS UPON FURTHER REVIEW OF the IDIOTS HERE............AND YOU SUPPOSEDLY RECLAIMING MY EXACTOMUNDO CORRECOTMUNDO ALL ACCURATE POSTS HERE IN THIS THREAD AND THE ABSOLUTE IDIOT DENIAL OF THE TRUTH AS ESPOUSED BY DUMBASSES HERE WHO HAVE NO CONCEPT OF MATH AND REALITY...........WELL i jUST SAY AGAIN

BROWNS FANS ARE THE COMPLETELY THE DUMBEST ON THE PLANET EXCEPT FOR ME AND A FEW OTHERS...........I REMAIN ASHAMED TO BE PART OF THE DUMBEST MOFOS ON EARTH PROVEN AGAIN HERE IN THIS DUMBFUAQUING THREAD WHEN FACTS AND REALITY HAVE BEEN OVERWHELMED WITH MORE ABSOLUTE COMPLETE STUPIDITY

AND IT IS WHAT IT IS

btw BOYZ AND ALL DE ASSHOLES............my math is absolutely 100% accurate as is my statements about schedule............the first step to winning is to pluck your head outta yourass and recognize reality

BTW Ada I am absolutely correct.........the NFL is based on absolute records any idiot knows that...........but to determine who really played the hardest schedule between the Browns and Steelers you can use the absymal record of the Browns to make their schedule harder than the Steelers only a complete absolute dumbass would do that and here we are

I await the members whose head is not stuck uptheriass to recognize every word I stated on this thread is what reality is........instead of some fantasy horshelot about making losing into winning

Bottom line is we stank like shit big time and all the SEwage lovers need to eat shit and man up................meanwhile lets hope we get real management for the first time since 1994

I remain absolutely dumbounded the stupidity and absolute failure to do due diligence and understand facts is either disregarded or too substantial to be evaluated by what appears again to be the dumbest football people on the planet who have participated in this thread...........hilarious!

I vouch for Rich, he doesn't mean anything negative by all the name calling above, it's really us that down him and we should be ashamed. Shame on all you hater's, ya pricks.

Hail Rich.

AdaM said:

"In the NFL, a team's strength of schedule is the combined records of its 16 opponents,including games played against the team in question, and counting divisional opponents twice."

@rich4eagle said:

BTW Ada I am absolutely correct.........the NFL is based on absolute records any idiot knows that...........but to determine who really played the hardest schedule between the Browns and Steelers you can use the absymal record of the Browns to make their schedule harder than the Steelers only a complete absolute dumbass would do that and here we are

Rich, while your argument does make some intuitive sense, and the Steelers' schedule was easier based on the fact that we stink, you have been proven to be 100% incorrectumundo by Adam and the boys here, and the rules/calculations as defined by the NFL.

I just wish someone had the sack to bet you that 25 large.

@rich4eagle said:

Bottom line is we stank like shit big time and all the SEwage lovers need to eat shit and man up................meanwhile lets hope we get real management for the first time since 1994

Ahh, and the requisite dig.

Zombo said:

God, I hate to say this ... but Rich is right.

If you take two teams and say "we played a tougher schedule", you have to take the two head-to-head matchups out of the equation, which leaves Pittsburgh +4 with the tougher schedule.

It just doesn't mean much though. Strength of schedule is such an over-rated statistic. Everybody in your division plays a similar schedule. Just win your division and you host a playoff game ... it's that easy.

Zombo

Good take Zombo we do occasionally agree................sad as that statement is................!!!!!!!!!

oops upon further review yu went stupid with a dumbfuquge heard.........oh my

OOPS UPON FURTHER REVIEW OF the IDIOTS HERE............AND YOU SUPPOSEDLY RECLAIMING MY EXACTOMUNDO CORRECOTMUNDO ALL ACCURATE POSTS HERE IN THIS THREAD AND THE ABSOLUTE IDIOT DENIAL OF THE TRUTH AS ESPOUSED BY DUMBASSES HERE WHO HAVE NO CONCEPT OF MATH AND REALITY...........WELL i jUST SAY AGAIN

BROWNS FANS ARE THE COMPLETELY THE DUMBEST ON THE PLANET EXCEPT FOR ME AND A FEW OTHERS...........I REMAIN ASHAMED TO BE PART OF THE DUMBEST MOFOS ON EARTH PROVEN AGAIN HERE IN THIS DUMBFUAQUING THREAD WHEN FACTS AND REALITY HAVE BEEN OVERWHELMED WITH MORE ABSOLUTE COMPLETE STUPIDITY

AND IT IS WHAT IT IS

btw BOYZ AND ALL DE ASSHOLES............my math is absolutely 100% accurate as is my statements about schedule............the first step to winning is to pluck your head outta yourass and recognize reality

BTW Ada I am absolutely correct.........the NFL is based on absolute records any idiot knows that...........but to determine who really played the hardest schedule between the Browns and Steelers you can use the absymal record of the Browns to make their schedule harder than the Steelers only a complete absolute dumbass would do that and here we are

I await the members whose head is not stuck uptheriass to recognize every word I stated on this thread is what reality is........instead of some fantasy horshelot about making losing into winning

Bottom line is we stank like shit big time and all the SEwage lovers need to eat shit and man up................meanwhile lets hope we get real management for the first time since 1994

I remain absolutely dumbounded the stupidity and absolute failure to do due diligence and understand facts is either disregarded or too substantial to be evaluated by what appears again to be the dumbest football people on the planet who have participated in this thread...........hilarious!

@rich4eagle said:

and your aside on the Steelers vs Browns is a non issue......bucause if you want to compare their schedules you delete those games. I did that and you conveniently as usual used a half a loaf of bread......no wait.........a a grain of bread in the big pixxture...........oh wwell

and once again genius you show your complete devoid abilty to do simple math..............the Browns and Steelers played twelve games against common opponents and two against different opponents. A push occured with the SD and Denver games

and ah yes .............the Steelers gained a more formidable four wins by opponents by playing NE while we played Buff.

I understand you are mathematically deficient, and I understand your hard on for me goes through your chin...........

but geez you again just made an arse of yourself.........by attempting to again make 2+2=6

finally one of the slug teams you just used to justify your false claims both...........was the Steelers thumping the Browns huge and the Steelers being a playoff team.....you cannot use the whipping boyz miserable results against another team to compare schedules.........U MUST USE ALL OTHER FOES..........and you again used the dismal Browns to justify the Steelers played an easier schedule..........too ah funny

you again try to have it bof ways.......they suck but we will count the for shit record of the Browns against the Steelers and credit the Browns for losing to the Super Bowl Champs........frigging totally mindlessly hilarious

I am sure this post zoomed in the ether way over the head of many fine brownsboard members........and I am sure it accomplished that as well with you otherwise your asinine challenges would never have occurred

too bad....GO BROWNS

Sure you were challanging the board

Way to bring class Rich.

If you want to use fuzy math and logic, have at it. But by your logic of only going by common oponenents and throwing out the non-comon (you already said that several posts ago), then they played the same schedule strength.

@wpb-dawg-fan said:

So, unless Rich has some OTHER explanation...he is TOTALLY off base.

His only explanation will be that he is correct if you change the rules

Couldn't we come up with a better strength of schedule scale?

Like...

Assign a point value to each teams W/L record.

16-0 = 16

15-1 = 15

ect.

Add a teams opponents records' point totals together and divide by 16.

?

@buckeyedawg said:

Actually Zombo...this is what Rich was yammering about...and BuckeyeDawg very clearly identified that it was due to the head to head games. And yet Rich told him he was wrong.

So, unless Rich has some OTHER explanation...he is TOTALLY off base.

"In the NFL, a team's strength of schedule is the combined records of its 16 opponents,including games played against the team in question, and counting divisional opponents twice."

Rich, I know you have a lot of experience on most of us.... but seriously. You are not correct on this topic.

If you change the NFL's rules on determining strength of schedule then you would be right, but you're not.

Zombo said:

God, I hate to say this ... but Rich is right.

If you take two teams and say "we played a tougher schedule", you have to take the two head-to-head matchups out of the equation, which leaves Pittsburgh +4 with the tougher schedule.

It just doesn't mean much though. Strength of schedule is such an over-rated statistic. Everybody in your division plays a similar schedule. Just win your division and you host a playoff game ... it's that easy.

Zombo

So basically what you are saying is that the Browns DIDN'T play the Steelers? They just don't count?

Listen, if the question was "who played the toughest schedule OTHER THAN against each other?"...then Rich is right.

But that is not the question. It was who played the toughest schedule...PERIOD.

See, the problem with Rich's equation is that it cannot be applied equally to every team in football...or even the same team against different opponents. Therefore it is not a true equation.

Lets' put it this way...if you apply Rich's theory...our strength of schedule would actually be TOUGHER if we compare ourselves to Cincinnati...because we would be eliminating their record (4-11-1) 2x...instead of eliminating the Steelers record (12-4) 2x.

Hence, as it doesn't give consistent and accurate answers...it is not a proper mathematical equation for the purposes of comparing schedules. After all...you can't compare a moving target.

AdaM said:

Take the opponents records for each team:

Cleveland: 145-108-3

Pittsburgh: 133-120-3

Remove uncommon opponents records:

Cle: 8-8 7-9

Pit: 11-5 8-8

Which gives you:

Cleveland: 130-91-3

Pittsburgh: 114-107-3

If you want to go a step further and remove clevelands record from pittsburghs opponents and the other way around:

Cleveland: 118-89-3

Pittsburgh: 110-95-3

Is this clear enough yet?

Lets make it a bit easier....

Overall was:

Cleveland: 145-108-3

Pittsburgh: 133-120-3

Take out their own records:

Cleveland: 133-104-3

Pittsburgh: 129-108-3

That's it. The Browns had a tougher schedule.

Now what Rich is trying to do is toss the Browns and Steelers records AGAIN because he doesn't think that should count towards strength of schedule...but guess what...you DON'T do that because they DID play. And despite anything else...the Steelers DID go 10-4 against the rest of the league....and the Browns DID go 4-10 against the rest of the league...so those get counted. By taking out their respective records...it is ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR!

Simple really, your strength of schedule at the END of the year should be your opponents record minus your record.

AdaM said:

Take the opponents records for each team:

Cleveland: 145-108-3

Pittsburgh: 133-120-3

Remove uncommon opponents records:

Cle: 8-8 7-9

Pit: 11-5 8-8

Which gives you:

Cleveland: 130-91-3

Pittsburgh: 114-107-3

If you want to go a step further and remove clevelands record from pittsburghs opponents and the other way around:

Cleveland: 118-89-3

Pittsburgh: 110-95-3

Is this clear enough yet?

Totally WRONG! I will wager taking away the records of Cleveland and Pittsburgh(you cannot count them against each other and reward totally being a incompetent loser and detracting being a Super Bowl winner against schedule it is other teams that count) to find the results of all other opponents will yield a PLUS 4 in schedule wins to Pittsburgh........and I have 25,000 dollars.........if you got guts

now get some guts and raise the money

I never get over how devoid of simple math principles Browns fans have become............oh boy fits with applauding losers like Sewage

ADA you are not so smart.........your posts proves it........love yah fellow Browns fan.....STUPID IS A STUPID IS............

@ballpeen said:

I factored the head to head in. You must discard games against each other to determine who played a harder schedule. Otherwise the team that stinks US always plays a harder schedule than the Super Bowl Champs because there are only two different teams on the schedule.

This is so much fun, justifying being a piece of shit is good and using a piece of shit record to justify it against the Winners

I hope you understand Ballpeen, that I have gotten it correctomundo throughout this thread..............and blind homerism and total stupidity of math has well tried to overtake reality

Take the opponents records for each team:

Cleveland: 145-108-3

Pittsburgh: 133-120-3

Remove uncommon opponents records:

Cle: 8-8 7-9

Pit: 11-5 8-8

Which gives you:

Cleveland: 130-91-3

Pittsburgh: 114-107-3

If you want to go a step further and remove clevelands record from pittsburghs opponents and the other way around:

Cleveland: 118-89-3

Pittsburgh: 110-95-3

Is this clear enough yet?

and your aside on the Steelers vs Browns is a non issue......bucause if you want to compare their schedules you delete those games. I did that and you conveniently as usual used a half a loaf of bread......no wait.........a a grain of bread in the big pixxture...........oh wwell

and once again genius you show your complete devoid abilty to do simple math..............the Browns and Steelers played twelve games against common opponents and two against different opponents. A push occured with the SD and Denver games

and ah yes .............the Steelers gained a more formidable four wins by opponents by playing NE while we played Buff.

I understand you are mathematically deficient, and I understand your hard on for me goes through your chin...........

but geez you again just made an arse of yourself.........by attempting to again make 2+2=6

finally one of the slug teams you just used to justify your false claims both...........was the Steelers thumping the Browns huge and the Steelers being a playoff team.....you cannot use the whipping boyz miserable results against another team to compare schedules.........U MUST USE ALL OTHER FOES..........and you again used the dismal Browns to justify the Steelers played an easier schedule..........too ah funny

you again try to have it bof ways.......they suck but we will count the for shit record of the Browns against the Steelers and credit the Browns for losing to the Super Bowl Champs........frigging totally mindlessly hilarious

I am sure this post zoomed in the ether way over the head of many fine brownsboard members........and I am sure it accomplished that as well with you otherwise your asinine challenges would never have occurred

too bad....GO BROWNS

@rich4eagle said:

The Steelers played and beat the 11-5 Patriots a playoff team and played a beat the 8-8 Chargers a playoff team

If you hate being correct, it must be why you list NE as a playoff team. They weren't a playoff team. The Chargers were 8-8 in the same division of DEN who was 8-8. So what makes them different?

Your logic is saw flawed and blinded by Steeler homerism on this one Rich. PIT played the 11-5 Pats, yet they still ended up with a schedule that had teams with a lower win % than CLE or DET faced this season. As I have said in other posts, PIT had CIN and CLE on their schedule. That is a quarter of their win total.

PIT played 7 games against playoff teams (that included BALT 2x's). CLE plays 8 games against playoff teams (that includeds BALT 2x's and PIT 2x's).

@rich4eagle said:

by playing SD(playoff team) and NE(11-5) vs Buffalo(8-8at best) and Denver (8-8) two teams that made the playoffs and two teams that did not. Also, using your 4-12 record applied to any other team that played you is not realistic comparison. It says you stank NOT that you played a harder schedule because you made others schedules look not so hard.

Throw out the Cleveland record....................Pittsburgh played the hardest schedule of course they beat the Browns twice and you are using that against them as well as our overall record against them!

Huh? NE didn't make the playoffs. And technically that 11-5 should be pading the win/loss % of the Steelers opponents, but it didn't. Why? Because PIT has 4 give me wins on their schedule (CLE and CIN). You throw in SD who was what? That's right 8-8 as a playoff team. In the same division as DEN and needed a tie breaker against them to get into the playoffs.