@choco said:

Right. If that other team had been Green Bay, like I said, he would have signed a deal there too.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

The ten million was in the bag for him, he didn't have to pass it up. He was looking for a long term deal. Yea, he "passed up" 10 million.....for 9 million this year, 9 million the following year, 8 million the next year....and whatever beyond that.

He wasn't negotiating for a location to play, he was negotiating for a contract. He got the contract and said: Jacksonville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Green Bay, Fairbanks....I don't care, Show me the money.

@choco said:

Climate is irrelevant. He chose the only other team that was interested.

Nailed it.

@the-gipper said:

If it were truly all about the Benjamins, as you say, he would have taken the $10 million. No player who's looking for only cash could conceivably pass up $10 million for one year of work.

Especially a young center at the top of his game.

He chose the place who offered him the most money and who had the better climate. And he'll choose them again when this contract is up.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

@the-gipper said:

Exactly. He didn't choose to go anywhere with a winning tradition. He chose a place with a great climate, with the same tradition of losing as Cleveland. Therefore, he doesn't give two shits about the organizational instability.

If it was all about the Benjamins, he would have taken the $10 million this year, which is more than double what he's earning now, and gone somewhere else. He would still have gotten a large contract, being that he's young and one of the top centers in the league.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

He said he was happy and joyful to be back in Cleveland. I can only take him by his word.

Beyond that, the proof is in the big money contract he signed. Is not like Jax is any better of a football destination than Cleveland. They have done as bad as the Browns over the last decade. He didn't sign with the Pats, Giant, Steelers, or any other team that has won a bunch the last decade.

It was all about the Benjamins.

There it is, read it.

@the-gipper said:

Prove it, then.

I'll wait.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Mack's agent went out to negotiate the biggest money deal he could get. He didn't really care where it came f rom: Cleveland, Jacksonville, Ushuaia, Point Barrow. And if Mack didn't want to stay here it didn't have a cabbage fart to do with the weather...but with the organizational instability.

XxDaBuckeyexX said:

He knew when he signed the contract from Jax he was essentially signing here. He used them to get a massive contract that had options he wanted and we refused to give. If he truly wanted out, he woulda taken the 10 mill and been unrestricted next year.

He'll be able to walk in two years regardless. At least there was a chance he could get out now.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Mack didn't choose Cleveland. He was drafted here, refused to sign an extension here and then transition tagged here. He chose to sign with Jacksonville, and then we matched the contract.

He's never chosen Cleveland willingly.

@the-gipper said:

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

But the argument at hand isn't about knowing about football. It's not about intelligence. It's about climate preferences.

One has nothing to do with the other.

And I'm not saying that I don't want to play in cold weather. I'm saying that, given the choice, I would choose warm weather. As would anyone else.

Again, yes, sure, anyone would rather play in 60 degree weather than in 20 degree weather....but more would rather play in 20 degree weather than in 90 degree weather....if they are intelligent that is.

At 20 degrees all you get is cold. At 90 degrees you can suffer heat stroke or worse. Ask Korey Stringer....oh, you can't, because he died of the heat.

You have never heard of a football player dieing of the cold.

All other variables aside, Mack chooses Jacksonville over Cleveland ten times out of ten.

Mack chose where the money was.

And you are otherwise wrong as well. My secretary, who also happens to be my niece was born and raised in Ft. Lauderdale. She has now chosen to make NE Ohio her home.

Mack didn't choose Cleveland. He was drafted here, refused to sign an extension here and then transition tagged here. He chose to sign with Jacksonville, and then we matched the contract.

He's never chosen Cleveland willingly.

@the-gipper said:

I played in HS and was a 2 yr starter at Mount Union.

I really hated the 2 a days in late July & August due to the heat and leg cramps.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

@the-gipper said:

I played football up through like 8th grade....organized. I wasn't built for the game.....and I have a zipper on my knee to prove it.

How many of you here have played?

Ever hear an interview of NFL players? Some of them are the least knowledgeable people about football out there.

But the argument at hand isn't about knowing about football. It's not about intelligence. It's about climate preferences.

And I'm not saying that I don't want to play in cold weather. I'm saying that, given the choice, I would choose warm weather. As would anyone else.

All other variables aside, Mack chooses Jacksonville over Cleveland ten times out of ten.

@roycerolls said:

I played football up through like 8th grade....organized. I wasn't built for the game.....and I have a zipper on my knee to prove it.

How many of you here have played?

Ever hear an interview of NFL players? Some of them are the least knowledgeable people about football out there.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

You are the one whining about not wanting to play in a little cold weather. What would any objective person believe about that?

That you are a whiner.

And as far as game being really cold in the north....at most you get maybe 2-3 a year that are played in weather under like 40 degrees. Probably fewer than you get played down south in 80-90 degrees.

Yes the hits hurt more, and the football is harder to handle but that's why I liked it.

My guess is a lot of defensive guys like it, and offensive lineman. The skill positions would rather play in 50-60-70s probably.

I don't think these players really care much tbh. Especially not at the NFL level. The cold weather teams don't seem to have a problem winning (patriots, packers, steelers, etc.)

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@nuckin-futz said:

are you making them or are you downloading stuff?