<![CDATA[The RB Position]]>I for one would like to see Harrison take the role of a Warrick Dunn or Brian Westbrook! But i feel that If we give Harrison 15-20 carries a game we need to Draft a hard nosed RB to take the "up the gut" plays and take the rock about 10 - 15 Carries per game.

Maybe Greene... I dont know where he will fall but... I would like to hear what the more intuitive members have to say!

Poll results from the old forum

What would you do?

  • Say good bye to Jamal Lewis and Start Harrison: 6 votes
  • Say Goodbye to JL and Draft a RB: 9 votes
  • Say Goodbye to JL and Sign a RB through FA: 5 votes
  • Keep JL and Simply give Harrison more Carries: 22 votes
  • Keep Harrison... Ditch JL... And let Harrison split carries with the newbie: 30 votes
]]>https://brownsboard.com/topic/2891/the-rb-positionRSS for NodeThu, 01 Oct 2026 04:50:34 GMTWed, 04 Feb 2009 02:33:14 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to The RB Position on Wed, 01 Apr 2009 05:17:26 GMT]]>Do we really need Lewis running over us for 200+ yards every time we play him? Let's keep him around....

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@calfoxwc said:

I see the lack of diversity in play calling, at least for the most part, was the right side of the offensive line.

some plays just can't be run, with the blitz zinging in to disrupt the play every time from that side.

Defenses could see that the Browns had little choice but to run any different kind of play - quickly to the left side behind Thomas

and Steinbach.

That should be fixed by the first game of the exibition season...

but Chud was still a DUD.

If you want to continually bring pressure from the right side then a good OC should be able to counter that. Offense and defense is action and reaction, constant adjustments. That's why a QB who could read defenses is much more valuable, in the long run, then a QB with a gun and a ego that tells him he can fit the ball between any two defenders. It's about taking what they give you, but you have to be smart enough and experienced enough to know what that is.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/56849https://brownsboard.com/post/56849Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:39:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The RB Position on Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:37:15 GMT]]>I see the lack of diversity in play calling, at least for the most part, was the right side of the offensive line.

some plays just can't be run, with the blitz zinging in to disrupt the play every time from that side.

Defenses could see that the Browns had little choice but to run any different kind of play - quickly to the left side behind Thomas

and Steinbach.

That should be fixed by the first game of the exibition season...

but Chud was still a DUD.

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@oldcrow1945 said:

Great points Ytown. I agree whole heartedly with everything but Brown. I wouldn't mind having him but I think there are more pressig needs. I really like the crop of RB's that will come in next year's draft.

I especially like the thought of using Cribbs more. As a matter of fact, I think it would be asinine not to use this guy more.

It just has to happen.

If moving Cribbs to Safety will not be an option, then please, get more production out of him offensively! I'd love seeing Quinn and Cribbs side by side in the shotgun. My gosh, the plays that the OC could run from that backfield formation!

It's easy to see the kid has a special talent. Why do you want to have him sitting on the sidelines so much? It just doesn't make sense. None. You have to try and get him the ball.

Even a swing pass out of the backfield would allow Cribbs to use that special talent he has for finding room to run.

It may be just me, but I see Cribbs with better potential as a Combo style RB then a WR. I don't think he will ever be more then a #3 or #4 slot receiver but he could be a back like Westbrook was a few years back. Not an everydown RB but a guy who lined up at RB and could split out also. A great option coming out of the backfield catching screens or swing passes and also a guy they could hand the ball off to.

But, they may just think he has the potential to be a great defender as a safety. I just hope they use him.

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@ytownbrownsbacker said:

MIght be wishful thinking since they already paid Lewis a $4+ million roster bonus. Don't think they would pay the bonus if they planned on drafting a RB high.

Personally I like Donald Brown in the second round, but like I mentioned above, there's little hope for that. Maybe, if they get a few more picks, they would consider Jennings.

Even if they don't draft a RB Harrison has to be involved in the offense way more. I wouldn't mind seeing him as the primary back with Lewis coming in to take about 15 carries a game to spell Harrison, short yardage situations and end of the game grind outs.

I also would like to see Cribbs lined up on the backfield on 3rd down and used more like Mangini used Brad Smith. If Cribbs is lined up in the backfield on 3rd down the defense has to respect him. He can take a handoff from the QB, take a direct snap and run the ball, take a direct snap and pass the ball and motion out of the backfield and go out for a pass.

So, I like Harrison and since we already paid Lewis, he'll split carries, but I also like Cribbs as the 3rd down back in some cases. I'd say he's better at picking up the blitz then Harrison and can compliment our lack of receivers to spread the field. Plus, he is dangerous anytime you get him the ball and has to be respected which could pull double coverage from another receiver.

Great points Ytown. I agree whole heartedly with everything but Brown. I wouldn't mind having him but I think there are more pressig needs. I really like the crop of RB's that will come in next year's draft.

I especially like the thought of using Cribbs more. As a matter of fact, I think it would be asinine not to use this guy more.

It just has to happen.

If moving Cribbs to Safety will not be an option, then please, get more production out of him offensively! I'd love seeing Quinn and Cribbs side by side in the shotgun. My gosh, the plays that the OC could run from that backfield formation!

It's easy to see the kid has a special talent. Why do you want to have him sitting on the sidelines so much? It just doesn't make sense. None. You have to try and get him the ball.

Even a swing pass out of the backfield would allow Cribbs to use that special talent he has for finding room to run.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/56722https://brownsboard.com/post/56722Tue, 31 Mar 2009 02:45:44 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The RB Position on Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:24:55 GMT]]>MIght be wishful thinking since they already paid Lewis a $4+ million roster bonus. Don't think they would pay the bonus if they planned on drafting a RB high.

Personally I like Donald Brown in the second round, but like I mentioned above, there's little hope for that. Maybe, if they get a few more picks, they would consider Jennings.

Even if they don't draft a RB Harrison has to be involved in the offense way more. I wouldn't mind seeing him as the primary back with Lewis coming in to take about 15 carries a game to spell Harrison, short yardage situations and end of the game grind outs.

I also would like to see Cribbs lined up on the backfield on 3rd down and used more like Mangini used Brad Smith. If Cribbs is lined up in the backfield on 3rd down the defense has to respect him. He can take a handoff from the QB, take a direct snap and run the ball, take a direct snap and pass the ball and motion out of the backfield and go out for a pass.

So, I like Harrison and since we already paid Lewis, he'll split carries, but I also like Cribbs as the 3rd down back in some cases. I'd say he's better at picking up the blitz then Harrison and can compliment our lack of receivers to spread the field. Plus, he is dangerous anytime you get him the ball and has to be respected which could pull double coverage from another receiver.

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@oldcrow1945 said:

Harrison is the same height and 10 lbs less than Deangelo Williams. Williams average about 17 carries a game.

Harrison is capable of the same.

At 5'8" and 200 lbs Barry Sanders was one the greatest NFL backs of all time. This size theory doesn't sell for me. The thing that matters is a line that blocks for him.

Keep Lewis and go after a back next year

I agree. I don't think size is all that important. Dunn isn't a big guy but it seems he has been doing well for 20 years.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/56659https://brownsboard.com/post/56659Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:18:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The RB Position on Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:14:10 GMT]]>When at the pro level has Harrison been asked to run between the tackles either? It's a little hard to say he can't, when he hasn't been given the opportunity.

D. Williams covered already

Portis is 5-11 223lbs

T. Jones 5-10 215lbs

S. Slaton 5-9 201lbs

C. Johnson 5-11 200lbs

J. Harrison 5-9 205lbs

The bigest difference between most of those guys is opportunity. Harrison might not be able to do it, but he could just as likely be like Slaton.

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@dtbh said:

Harrison is the type of back that benefits from getting limited carries. I think his yards per carry will significantly decrease, at a rate much faster than bigger, stronger, between the tackles types of backs, if he gets 20 carries. His maximum value is being used 8-14 plays a game, so that he can keep his suprise element and defenses aren't thoroughly prepared for him.

If he gets any more plays than that per game and defenses base a large part of their scouting report on him, I think you'll see a drastic reduction in yards per play and/or carry and quite possibly a very beat up Harrison.

Harrison is the same height and 10 lbs less than Deangelo Williams. Williams average about 17 carries a game.

Harrison is capable of the same.

At 5'8" and 200 lbs Barry Sanders was one the greatest NFL backs of all time. This size theory doesn't sell for me. The thing that matters is a line that blocks for him.

Keep Lewis and go after a back next year

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@oldcrow1945 said:

And that is very impressive

It was. Especially when you consider Reggie Bush didn't put up numbers like that the same season. Also Harrison put up big numbers against USC

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Masters said:

He did average 27 carries a game his senior year at WSU. That worked out to 1,900 yards, 6.2 ypc, and 16TDs, in 11 games.

And that is very impressive

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@playgroundlegend said:

Sorry dude, but sometimes ppl still dont bother with Jennings, sorry man, gotta promote the beast

Probably because you have posted that clip that many times, started threads about him, and pimped him adnasium. Just like Rey.

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@inspecta said:

Harrison is not afraid of contact, he takes on bigger LB most of the time and breaks their tackles. The kid is special, it's one of phils better draft picks. The kid can carry the ball 15 times a game and be A-ok.

He did average 27 carries a game his senior year at WSU. That worked out to 1,900 yards, 6.2 ypc, and 16TDs, in 11 games.

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Aloysius said:

Playground, you've posted this clip eight times. I think we've reached a point of diminishing returns.

and with your reply and quote, that makes it nine!

Sorry dude, but sometimes ppl still dont bother with Jennings, sorry man, gotta promote the beast

Oh, and the browns were present at his pro day when he ran in the mid to low 4.4's

At 135lbs couple with a low 4.4 makes a train... a maglev train. Thats his new nickname, Maglev

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@playgroundlegend said:

The Skill of Our Next Runningback

Playground, you've posted this clip eight times. I think we've reached a point of diminishing returns.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/56630https://brownsboard.com/post/56630Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:01:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The RB Position on Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:50:09 GMT]]>Now, Im not Gay or anything but....

2009%20NFL%20Scouting%20Combine%20Day%204%20M8qp5y4Sr4ol.jpg

Rashad is HUGE, JACKED, CUT, whatever.... Draft him now

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/56628https://brownsboard.com/post/56628Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:50:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The RB Position on Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:46:31 GMT]]>After Jennings he seems to have power, but I noticed two things:

Most of his runs are on sweeps and counters.

All throughout the video he cuts right INTO a defender instead of away from him.

looks to have potential though from just watching the highlight videos.

I'd take him third round.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/56627https://brownsboard.com/post/56627Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:46:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The RB Position on Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:35:16 GMT]]> The Strength of Our Next Runningback

The Skill of Our Next Runningback

The Team of our next Runningback (he's number 23 in this vid)

Rashad Jennings is the man, SPEED, SIZE, STRENGTH, he has it all, and coupled with Harrison would make a combo better than White/Johnson

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/56623https://brownsboard.com/post/56623Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:35:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The RB Position on Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:13:35 GMT]]>I vote "non-of-the-above". How come there isn't a "keep Jlew in the mode of the Bus in his last years and draft a RB." To me this is the most logical equation, especially if they get 5 picks on day 1. JL may not have the speed we want with our starting RB, but he isn't completely done and if he is willing to tutor other RB's and be a short yardage back....perfect. Especially with this guys commitment to 'healthy eating and conditioning', with Mangini's style I would guess Lewis' training style would be desired.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/56610https://brownsboard.com/post/56610Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:13:35 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The RB Position on Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:06:49 GMT]]>Andre Brown would be a good guy to tandem with JLew & Harrison. If we acquire an additional 2nd/3rd round pick, I wouldn't mind seeing us draft this guy:

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/56605https://brownsboard.com/post/56605Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:06:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The RB Position on Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:31:01 GMT]]>IMO, Harrison falls into a category of players like Wimbley, Alex Hall, and DA. They can start off like stars, but once defenses figure them out, their impact was drastically reduced because they were one dimensional. Much like DA is better suited to be a back-up and catch defenses by surpise and Wimbley/Alex Hall may be better suited to be situational pass-rushers, I think Harrison is better suited in the 10-touch area than the 20-touch area.

Regardless of size, I don't think Harrison's skill set is anywhere near Priest Holmes'.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/41966https://brownsboard.com/post/41966Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:31:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The RB Position on Tue, 10 Feb 2009 07:10:12 GMT]]>Of course his YPC would decrease with an expanded role. That is expected. But I don't see what matters about this magical "20 carry" zone where smaller running backs die and bigger ones become super human. Only four running backs in the NFL averaged over 20 carries per game in 2008, Seven over 19.

I don't remember Priest Holmes struggling to carry 20+ carries a game several seasons in a row. He had a similar build to Jerome too.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/41954https://brownsboard.com/post/41954Tue, 10 Feb 2009 07:10:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The RB Position on Tue, 10 Feb 2009 06:47:37 GMT]]>Harrison is the type of back that benefits from getting limited carries. I think his yards per carry will significantly decrease, at a rate much faster than bigger, stronger, between the tackles types of backs, if he gets 20 carries. His maximum value is being used 8-14 plays a game, so that he can keep his suprise element and defenses aren't thoroughly prepared for him.

If he gets any more plays than that per game and defenses base a large part of their scouting report on him, I think you'll see a drastic reduction in yards per play and/or carry and quite possibly a very beat up Harrison.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/41949https://brownsboard.com/post/41949Tue, 10 Feb 2009 06:47:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The RB Position on Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:50:39 GMT]]>I've watched a little of Virginia RB Cedric Peerman recently, and he's really impressed me. Here's a scouting report on him:

Positives: Short, thick build that appears capable of handling NFL punishment. Quick to the hole. Good lateral agility to make defenders miss. Runs with surprising authority. Can bounce to the outside and has the burst to get to the second level. Might lack elite stopwatch speed, but plays fast and can pull away in the open field. Soft hands out of the backfield. High effort player who makes those around him better.

Negatives: Lacks the bulk teams are looking for in a bell-cow runner. May have to be a change of pace back in the NFL due to his struggles in staying healthy. Missed second half of 2007 with Lisfranc surgery on his right foot and missed time last season with a bruised knee. Very small hands, which scouts fear will lead to fumbles. Didn't help his cause in this area with a fumble during the Senior Bowl.

He reminds me a little bit of another Virginia alum, Tiki Barber. He may start off his career as a change of pace back/kick returner, but he could grow into a decent committee back.

Though he's about the same size as Jerome Harrison, his running style is a lot more physical. I could think of worse things than taking Peerman on Day Two & having him, Harrison, and a bigger back (maybe JLew?) hold down the RB fort for a year.

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