VesnaKociper said:

I was actually semi on board with your healthy skepticism and were right that every year we say how awesome the draft was and this is the year we make noise in the NFL again. And then you post some stupid shit like "us Obama voting queers". Time to leave. Seriously. Nothing you said about the Browns prior is grounds for dismissal but this is. I didn't vote for anybody for the record I just loathe people like you that inject this shit everywhere. This is a hallowed place of football thou shalt not infest it with corrupt politics. Mods escort him out.

Zombo said:

I just hope they're right Z. I don't care what the "oh Gordon's not the whole team" guys are saying- losing him for an extended period is a huge loss. We've seen this act before- teams will jam the line and take away the running game with no real downfield threat.

Yeah Greg Little can be a legit #2 wr- assuming he can ever learn to catch the damn ball. Benjamin is a deep threat, but he's coming off an ACL. Burleson looks like he's fragile as glass. My Bengals fans say we got a steal in Hawkins- we'll see about that.

This is Julio Jones Groundhog day folks. That extra pick means nothing if it's used on another Brandon Weeden, or Steve Heiden. What's demoralizing is it sends a signal to the fans- wait until next year guys, we're not ready for Prime Time yet.

@pumpkin-eater said:

I've seen him play. Doesn't matter If I have or not. Also don't put words In my mouth, I didn't say he sucked. They were a division champion team before they drafted him. Their record did not drastically improve nor did they advance to the Super Bowl because of him being there.

So he singlehandedly won them a game? What he made every tackle on D and took every offensive snap, throwing the ball to himself?

Haha you give me shit for putting words in your mouth and then you turn around and do that same shit. Congrats.

"In his limited action last year he damn near single handedly won them at least 1 game in the 4th quarter and came close to doing it again with a fractured foot vs the Jets."

Word for word from my previous post.

@mike-h said:

Actually, Farmer is quoted as saying they almost turned in the card on Watkins, and were comfortable doing so. But to get Gilbert (The browns feel cornerback is as every bit important as wr) and a first round pick was a huge haul. There were plenty of WRs at 35 that they liked but they had Bitonio so high over everybody else on their board they couldn't pass him. They were hoping some of those guys they liked at 35 would fall to #71, but that didn't happen. After that, they were comfortable shopping the udfas.

This is all from Farmer himself, I don't have the link handy, may have been the King article.

Zombo

@taco918 said:

Outside of on bad year (last year) pretty well. In his limited action last year he damn near single handedly won them at least 1 game in the 4th quarter and came close to doing it again with a fractured foot vs the Jets.

You obviously haven't seen him play.

I get if you're fine with the trade we made for the Falcons, I am as well, but don't be a complete douche and talk shit about Julio's ability to play the game when you've never seen him play.

So he singlehandedly won them a game? What he made every tackle on D and took every offensive snap, throwing the ball to himself?

@marcus said:

Julio Jones is a good WR no doubt about it. But his time with the Falcons proves that he isn't the whole team. He doesn't make them so much better that there's a difference between last and first with or without him. They have a franchise QB, they've had a solid running game, and other stellar receiving options i.e. Roddy White; to me their defense has been what's held them back

I agree they would've been well served using those traded picks on upgrading their defense and o line. However I think they would've won a few more games last year if he's healthy despite their myriad of other problems.

@pumpkin-eater said:

And their record compared to before and after they drafted him?

Outside of on bad year (last year) pretty well. In his limited action last year he damn near single handedly won them at least 1 game in the 4th quarter and came close to doing it again with a fractured foot vs the Jets.

You obviously haven't seen him play.

I get if you're fine with the trade we made for the Falcons, I am as well, but don't be a complete douche and talk shit about Julio's ability to play the game when you've never seen him play.

@marcus said:

Julio Jones is a good WR no doubt about it. But his time with the Falcons proves that he isn't the whole team. He doesn't make them so much better that there's a difference between last and first with or without him. They have a franchise QB, they've had a solid running game, and other stellar receiving options i.e. Roddy White; to me their defense has been what's held them back

Precisely. They have been weak on the defensive line. Superstar receivers don't help much when there are other huge holes to fill.

With West and a much better guard we should be banging away a few yards and a few minutes with the run.

And giving and improved defense ability to rest for a little bit between possesions

WSS

@taco918 said:

I'm assuming you've never seen him play.

And their record compared to before and after they drafted him?

@pumpkin-eater said:

How has Julio jones made the falcons better? Lol.

I'm assuming you've never seen him play.

manly.

not.

@nickers said:

so misinformed.

where do you look for your info BOY'S LIFE?

@poeticg said:

But guess what the Browns now have that the Bills don't. Extra 1st and 4th round picks next year. I say the Browns look a hell of a lot better when you add it all up.

@unsympathetic said:

Instead of worrying about Gordon being out, think of the Browns getting a high draft pick next year.. in addition to 2 first-round picks in the draft.

Well I was with you until that part. I do not want the Browns to have a high 1st round pick ... Unless you mean high in # like 20+ or do you mean high like early? Oh god, I just talked (typed??) myself in a circle.

WSS

VesnaKociper said:

Offense wins. The Browns have no offense........... 4 - 12

Depends on the Gordon situation really. We lost a couple games because our def sucks balls. We were only in the lead because of Gordon. Now we can run the ball with Tate and our oline (assuming). There is plenty of time to pull a trade or two for some WR help.

4-12 isn't out of the picture but neither is 8-8 or better.

You ain't drafting a receiver that automatically becomes a number 1 in year 1. Maybe after a year or two but not right away.