@the-gipper said:

Ya, I got the Hamlet reference, I thought Kiefer was about to put another hole in that skull though.

Zombo

Zombo said:

Really? That is Derek Jacobi playing Hamlet.

@cobra-kai said:

Kiefer Sutherland about to kiss a skull?

Zombo

@harry-buffalo said:

Since we'd be giving up our Cleveland 1st round pick in 2015, and would still retain our Buffalo's 1st and 4th, (which will probably be better than ours and likely Top 10,) in essence, we'd only be spending our 1st round pick in 2016.

Is Jimmy Graham worth our 2016 first round pick? That is the question...

@the-gipper said:

I think we share the same concern. I was surprised when I heard he signed on with Mack's agent. That guy's grand-standing tactics didn't exactly help Mack. We'll see what happens, but I think Cameron could have made a better choice. Keep in mind too that Cameron doesn't have Mack's track record of performance & durability. I like Cameron, but he's not yet established among the elite at his position.

Mike

@cobra-kai said:

Grahm isn't worth 2 1st round picks.

I am not sold on this guy, at all, because he's soft. He's too soft to be truly effective and a difference maker at the NFL level.

I hope I'm wrong, but I'd like to see the Browns make a play for TE/WR Jimmy Graham, if the Saints keep fucking around with him.

@choco said:

Which is why Cameron likely didn't have great numbers. I think during that 3rd quarter of games was when Gordon put up his two 200 yard games.

@thenew23 said:

That 3.5 rec 27 yard 0 TD average in the 3rd quarter of the season was pretty rough.

@thenew23 said:

"seemed to drop off" but did it really? Could probably blame a lot of it on spotty QB play, but he was pretty consistent if you ask me. His worst game came against Baltimore (1 catch, 4 yds), but that was the one day Greg Little decided to dominate the game.

I think there was a "drop off"... from spectacular to damn good...

I also think it's fair to assume that Cam was not a focal point in our oppositions' Defensive game-plan at season's start...

@londonbrown said:

1st 4 games - 30 catches, 360 yds, 5 TDs (1st two games, no Gordon in the lineup, 14 catches 203 yds)

2nd 4 games - 19 catches, 236 yds, 1 TD

3rd 4 games - 14 catches, 108 yds, 0 TDs

Last 3 games - 17 catches, 213 yds, 1 TD (didn't play week 16 @ NYJ)

"seemed to drop off" but did it really? Could probably blame a lot of it on spotty QB play, but he was pretty consistent if you ask me. His worst game came against Baltimore (1 catch, 4 yds), but that was the one day Greg Little decided to dominate the game.

I'd still be leary to give him a big extension until after this season. See how well he plays, and if he can stay healthy, during a contract season...

@tour2ma said:

LOL, I may open it back up now if Dickbag is gone. I enjoy the occasional troll ... but they should have an age limit of 18 and an IQ limit of 70 ... I don't think he qualified for either.

Z

@gftchris said:

I'd be very reluctant to give Cameron a big contract based on one year's production. Not saying he won't do it again, but maybe let's wait until next offseason to do it, with the franchise tag as a backup if nothing can be agreed?

Yes... we've been down that path before. DA immediately springs to mind.

Zombo said:

So we've got Mack for two more years, Taylor for two more years, haden now locked down for five ... who else was due next year, Sheard?

Yes, Sheard ... was a topic on NFL Live yesterday in conjunction with the Haden deal.

And as an aside: This ("Well, welcome to the Browns Board, Bitch. Zombo") in the closed-while-I-was-typing-a-response TB thread was absolutely priceless.

Anyone care to comment?

BobPound!

Again, this shows the savvy of our front office that they didn't waste the Franchise tag on Mack.. I am not sure where the Mack deal fell in regards to the Josh Gordon issues.. Could it be they held the Tag in the back pocket for just such a reason..

Looking at Google news stories, the Mack deal happened in early April, so it is safe to say they already knew about the potential issues with Gordon..

So they suck it up and pay Mack whatever it takes to make sure they can lock up Cameron should the need arise....

BOBPound!

@the-gipper said:

That was my first thought, too.

@londonbrown said:

I tend to agree. I'd like to see us lock him up, but not at Jimmy Graham like numbers.

FYI, it is my belief that this is a guy who will want to fuck with the Browns because recall that he made a very public announcement that "I can craft a deal for Alex Mack that the Browns cannot match". Well, once that deal was "crafted", it took the Browns about a nanosecond to match it......putting egg on Marvin Demoff's face. So, IMO, he will approach any further dealings with the Browns as a poutly little teenage bitch who didn't get her way.