My bad, I was unclear of what I meant by saying club. I didn't mean it in the sense of Intramurals, Club then Varsity. I meant it as they were more of a pro club team than a college soccer team. They were pulling in guys from out of the country that were very good so they could play soccer. I am not sure how many actually got their degree and it looked like more of a tryout for MLS for them. It wasn't against the rules or anything though and Akron had some very good teams because of it.

Again, I just know they were good and won. I had no clue where they were came from.

Michigan's first year of varsity soccer was 1999. We made a run in 2010 in large part to having two brothers that made MLS teams. One was a Sr that had been around for awhile. The other was his freshman brother that came in having scored the most goals ever in high school in Michigan and he ended that freshman season with a bunch of awards. He left after one season for the MLS. After that season Michigan actually decided "Hey, maybe we could put some money into this?" and we hired a high profile coach. I mean shit, we have guys donate $200 million to the university, and they request half go to athletics, I think we can give something to soccer.

TMI than I care about.

But again... you admitting you don't know anything about soccer doesn't help you in any of these arguments, on this thread and the other.

I wasn't making any kind of an argument. I was merely pointing to the scoreboard. (At least I will give soccer this: it is not one of those "judged sports, like ice skating or gymnastics that you get in the Olympics. One can point to a scoreboard in soccer)

Just like you not knowing anything about college rankings and how good some universities are doesn't help you in our above "debate"....

I told you more than you want to know about college ranking, like I know is that a lot of those college ranking systems are paid for. Like I said, Forbes puts an inordinate value on how many college alumni subscribe and pay to be in their owned publication of Who's Who. Some of the others may be similar to that.

On that note, I will surrender.

Your surrender is unnecessary. You have been conquered. Conquerors don't require the vanquished to surrender.

(Also, because I know you know nothing about soccer, A fact that I am proud of, like I said, cricket, soceer, muggle quidditch...all on about par for me.

Michigan has not had a Men's Varsity team for very long.

Flimsy excuse. Though...it does make me think more highly of Michigan a bit. Apparently they were aware of the insignificance of soccer for a very long time.

It is also important to not Akron is basically a club team, lol.

I don't think "club" teams win National Championships. I guess Alabama football is a "club team".

Back around 2010 it seemed like half of their team was from Jamaica or something.

I just know they won....I followed the games a bit...but knew nothing about the players. I mean, its not like it was football or basketball.

I do know that the coach lived in Wadsworth and his wife worked with my wife. Porter I believe his name is....and now I understand that he is the HC of one of the MLS teams, maybe Portland?

But yes, they do have a better soccer team than us.)

I am not sure that it has maintained the same status since Porter left.

1) Akron engineering doesn't sniff Michigan engineering. Still debatable. (no... no its not) Nevertheless.....lets see where Akron is better than Michigan......Let's see now.......this is supposed to be a soccer thread.

Akron is better than Michigan at soccer:

Akron: National runnerups in 1986 and 2009

Akron: National Champions in 2010

Michigan: one single Soccer Final Four appearance, never made the title game

And who did Michigan lose to in it only final Four appearance?: Akron

Bada bing, bada boom. Close the thread.

3) Kenyon College does not provide "superior education" the University of Michigan

It does, trust me...within what it teaches. You are comparing a school with 50,000 students to one with 1600.

80% of the curricula you list above is not offered in the little Liberal Arts College...so there can be no comparison there.

Your link was for "The World's Most Beautiful College Campuses" lol.

Look, the LAC vs an actual university thing can be debated. You can look at these LACs that are good at a handful of things and claim they're better than Michigan. They're two very different types of schools. Some kids don't want to go to a big school, I get that, their preference. Your claim of "far superior" is ridiculous though. How can it be "far superior" if it doesn't offer the breadth of courses Michigan has. It doesn't have the sane resources. It doesn't Gabe the same alumni base or recruiting prowess. It isn't as highly ranked and multiple fields, not just certain degrees. Kids have their preferences, got it. But "far superior"? You're living in a fantasy land.

They provide a far superior quality education....you know, the thing you are supposed to at school...learn. And I disagree about the breadth of courses. Within the particular fields of study that they engage in, the liberal arts college provides a full curriculum.

As for alumi bases, these small schools hold their own.

I mean, for a 1600 student school Kenyon has had the following"

A. a US President, Rutherford B. Hayes

B. a Prime Minister of Sweden, Olaf Palme

C. a US Secretary of Defense, Edwin Stanton (who said upon Lincoln's death "now he belongs to the ages"

D. A US Supreme Court Chief Justice: Rehnquist

E. Two other US Supreme Court Justices

F. A US Poet Laureate: Robert Lowell

G. A Pulitzer Prize winning Poet: James Wright

H. A Printz Award winner: John Green

I. The Author or Ragtime and others: E.L Doctorow (Ragtime movie was the last by James Cagney)

J. The Editor of Playboy: Robert McCauley

K. The Editor in Chief of Bloomberg News: Matthew Winkler (Michael Bloomberg was the speaker at my son's graduation)

L. Oscar winning Actor: Paul Newman

M. Oscar winning director: Adam Davidson

N. Emmy winning actress: Allison Janney

O. Comedian Jonathan Winters

P. Actor/Director Josh Radnor (How I met your Mother....and the movie "Liberal Arts" no less)

Q. Peace Corps Director: Kevin O'Donnell (portrayed in movie by Kevin Costner)

R. The creator of the Birth Control Pill: Carl Djerassi

S. The creator of the Typhus vaccine: Rolla Dyer

T. The designer of Celebration Village (for Disney), and archtect for the Inventors Hall of Fame among many others: Graham Gund

U. The owner at one time of the Chicago White Sox and Cleveland Indians: Bill Veeck

V. Final Four coach Shaka Smart

W. Creator of Calvin and Hobbes Bill Watterson

X. Creator of Zits, Jim Borgman

Y. Kris Osborn, CNN Anchor

Z. Constantine Partrides....of whom the Patrides Fellowship and the Patrides Professorship of Literature are named for at....the University of Michigan

So, I wouldn't worry about Kenyon's alumni base or resources.

(As for my daughter's school....the kids from the Walton family attended there, and they are bloated with Walmart money.

And the chief architect for the Disney Corp. also attended there...Trinity in SA Texas....and she happens to be the mother of one of my son's roomate...at Kenyon.

Multiple publications rank engineering schools (along with schools in general). I posted many if these rankings in the last thread we had this argument and the numbers were pretty damn conclusive.

I don't remember them. Prove it.

Arguing that Akron has a better engineering program than Michigan is insane. That's like arguing the Jags are the best team in the NFL. Even Jags fans won't agreed with you.

OK.....Akron may not be the Patriots or Seahawks....but by your own point they are in the same league.

I'm from Ohio. My ratings aren't Michigan centric. My ratings are common sense centric. They're rankings by people in academia and company recruiting centric. They're ranking services centric. They're people that know what they're talking about centric.

FYI, ranking services, while interesting and occasionally useful...don't alway know what they are talking about and are often biased. E.g. One of the ranking services is also the publisher of "Who's Who in America" . FYI, anyone can get into Who's Who in America if they pay the price to get in there. One of that services major criteria in ranking its schools is by determining how many alumni have paid to be in Who's Who. So, a lot of it can be absolutely bullshit.

I'll tell you this about my job offer. I got it in the fall semester. I didn't co-op or intern at that company but it was my top choice for full time employment. I had about 15 on campus interviews after our engineering career fair (~300 companies). I turned down offers with higher salaries and signing bonuses for this job as well. If I want to chase money, I would have applied to different types of jobs.

I'd be willing to bet, on average, engineering students coming out of michigan have a higher employment rate, "better" and higher paying jobs, and a larger selection of companies and offers to chose from when compared to Akron. Of course, I'm sure there are exceptions. It sounds like your Son's friend found a great job. That's awesome for him.

I know he has a good job. I don't remember where.

I am sure you did fine too. After all, this one thing is true: engineers are generally in higher demand than people that graduate with a liberal art's degree. My son's molecular biology degree got him a good research job with a school for the time being. (until he goes to grad school). His roommate with the history degree is still looking.

Indoor/small sides football is quite different to actual football. You play on a much smaller court, meaning that you have very different tactics - there's more emphasis on close control and dribbling, if you take the ball past an opponent then you're maybe 2-on-1 or 3-on-2 rather than being 7-on-6, and less emphasis on retaining possession and shifting the angle of attack to move the defence around (that 'boring' stuff you don't understand).

Which point did you make right off the bat in this thread? I mean, one that hasn't been categorically shut down by multiple people.

You have no idea what job I have or what other offers I turned down.

No, I don't. I would still wager that his are equal or better.

Your views of colleges are so Ohio centric its hilarious.

Not Ohio centric....just not Michigan ass sniffingcentric.

Find any legitimate publication that has Akron engineering even sniffing Michigan and I'd be amazed.

We'll see. I am not sure there is a publication that rates engineering schools.

Your infatuation with tiny little liberal arts colleges is beyond me too.

Not sure why it is beyond you. Doesn't your Michigan education give you the tools to comprehend such basic stuff?

I am the parent of two college students: one recently graduated and looking at grad schools in the future (who, by the way, is now employed by a Big Ten Univ.: Minnesota), and one entering her junior year in college. So, FYI, it was a reasoned, informed, voluminously thought out decision that caused me to send my kids to liberal arts colleges: because those schools were the best environment for them combined with providing the best education for them and the best campus life for them....and also because to a great extent, they themselves studied the options and concluded what was best for them. For undergraduate, those small schools were best for them. For graduate school....that may be a different story. My son is now exposed to the larger campus life (as an employee), and may be more ready to continue with a bigger school. (Bigger in the sense of larger than 16-2600 students). For him, it could be Ivy League schools or comparable, though he tells me that in his academic circles it it not so much the name of the school, but the prestige of the program he is in. A Minnesota, Ohio State etc. may actually have a better department in XYZ science studies than a Penn or Brown....or maybe not. For my daughter, who likely would need an MBA, it may be a much bigger school at which she obtains that, maybe a UT or something.

I'll give you the fact it isn't as clear cut as the Akron v Michigan thing. LACs play by their own rules and anyone can really claim any of them are the best. Your "far superior" claim though..... Haha haha. Where does Kenyon rank as far as best universities in the world? Just curious....

It doesn't rank anywhere as far as best universities dumbass. It is not a University. It is a college.

As far as where it ranks in the world though? #1: Ask Forbes:

http://www.forbes.com/2010/03/01/most-beautiful-campus-lifestyle-college.html

This is getting off topic. We've moved from your ignorance of soccer to your ignorance of colleges and universities. The latter of which ... Lol... Much easier to see who is right

It really is easier. I am right.

I'm sure your son's friend is a great guy. I can't say anything for or against that.

But the Akron Engr = Michigan Engr thing.... my god, lol. I find that pretty damn hilarious. Like the Miami of Ohio = Michigan as a whole thing... lol. Yes, great people come from everywhere, I got that. But in no universe are these colleges comparable.

I don't think you don't understand the sport because you think it is boring.

I understand the sport....it is a boring sport. See, your comprehension is clearly lacking. Must be that Michigan education.

I think you don't understand thhe sport because of comments you made about the tactics of the game.... which weren't true.

My comments were absolutely true.

Which part do you say are not true? That soccer is played on a rectangular field? That it is played with a goal and a goalie? That like hockey there are somewhat similar maneuverings that have to take place to get an opportunity to score?

These are the generalizations that I made. Otherwise some of the tactics involved in the game I find boring. That is an opinion....unlike you, I only have one asshole, and I have my opinions. I get it, you cannot handle a differing opinion.

Grow the fuck up.

Indoor/small sides football is quite different to actual football. You play on a much smaller court, meaning that you have very different tactics - there's more emphasis on close control and dribbling, if you take the ball past an opponent then you're maybe 2-on-1 or 3-on-2 rather than being 7-on-6, and less emphasis on retaining possession and shifting the angle of attack to move the defence around (that 'boring' stuff you don't understand).

Which point did you make right off the bat in this thread? I mean, one that hasn't been categorically shut down by multiple people.

It's a lost cause my man. The older generation will never respect soccer since they more than likely didn't play the game growing up (as our generation did) to see and appreciate the amount of skill necessary to play the game, and the US isn't a powerhouse, which I'm upset about as well although I understand the reasoning behind it.

You are right. Nobody played soccer when we were growing up.....no one but girls that his. But, I admit it is a good way to get a cardio workout.

Though you are wrong about not understanding the tactics. I enjoyed the indoor soccer game. I know it is a bastardized version of the sport, but in that version you got right into the tactics of scoring...and there is no offsides. Not time for all the fiddlying about in the center of the pitch.

Plus Gipper is in law so he'll bullshit semantics until he proves his point.

My point is usually proven right off the bat in most threads. All the rest is just garnishment and fuckin' wichya.

Its like me saying futbol may not be the most popular sport in the world. It may be....and maybe in some areas it is popular n/w/s that those areas may be wealthy. Popularity and superiority do not necessarily equate. In this case, definitely not.