at 1:56 in has to be the classic line of the whole movie.

@miktoxic said:

god forbid you mention another name of a player on a team made up of players. i guess if we were discussing corn dogs, mentioning cotton candy would be off limits?

Your mixing carney food groups there my friend. That's like talking about a QB in a WR thread. The gall.

They both may work together such as completing a pass for a QB-WR or obesity, extremities smelling of cabbage, or heart disease (although this might work in both cases) for corn dogs-cotton candy. However they are separate entities in their own right.

Back to the topic at hand, we don't know the facts yet. There's no point in getting pissy or placing blame.....yet. I'm sure people will say I'm making excuses for Gordon but he's innocent until proven guilty.

@topdawg31 said:

when you get your 'mod' merit badge let me know. i'll send you a donut.

@miktoxic said:

There are ten other topics on JFF keep it out of the Gordon is a dumb ass thread

@topdawg31 said:

Is this a Gordon thread or another JFF thread?

god forbid you mention another name of a player on a team made up of players. i guess if we were discussing corn dogs, mentioning cotton candy would be off limits?

@miktoxic said:

Were they the Christian version of ISIS?

manziel has already shit all over the chin of that religion. "THANK YOU JESUS!"

@westside-steve said:

What? Are you a masochist?

@the-gipper said:

Or, maybe they disliked him not because he was a Christian, but because Christians held him up to be God like figure and they kept trying to shove him down the public's throat when most football fans could see that he was just no good at all.

I think that's often the case with Heisman quarterbacks. I think it's also often the case they don't play very well. And they get a lot of attention. Look at us. So far part of that has already come true. Let's hope not all of it. I think if you take the time to read back over any of the posts you'll see many many attacks on the guy for his faith. That's all I'm saying.

Personally I'd rather bash a guy who is a lazy asshole or a prick.

WSS

@westside-steve said:

Or, maybe they disliked him not because he was a Christian, but because Christians held him up to be God like figure and they kept trying to shove him down the public's throat when most football fans could see that he was just no good at all.

WSS

@canton-mike said:

I don't care what his talent level is, Gordon can neither be trusted to live by rules nor give 100% effort every play. It's my little fixation, but I can't stomach players who take plays off. That ONE play just may be the difference between winning & losing.

I'll take the effort he gave in 2013 for another 10 years or so.

hell he should be bringing donuts. do something besides look like a dumbass, over-privileged, talented pot head.

I don't care what his talent level is, Gordon can neither be trusted to live by rules nor give 100% effort every play. It's my little fixation, but I can't stomach players who take plays off. That ONE play just may be the difference between winning & losing.

Mike

@ballpeen said:

I get the frustration , trust me I think at least once a day I think about Gordon's looming suspension and my blood pressure skyrockets lol. There is no reason to cut or trade him though. It appears as though he may dog it in practice as well, BUT the dude can flat out play, may be top receiver in the league. The only sensible path forward with a guy this talented is to hold on to him hoping he gets it straight, if not the league rules will resolve his status. I would speculate that even Josh Gordon's agent knows his next contract would have to be either a one year or a heavily incentive laden contract.

I wasn't referring to mechanics as a QB, but TC makes a valid point there since it's now a topic. I've heard it said Tebow would still be in the NFL if he'd just consider a position as an RB.

I'll accept bad attention with the good, if it must be, but let's get some that's good damnit.

@bonedawg said:

don't want it both ways. there's just no reason for it. manziel brings it because of his fan base. you don't see trucks parked outside the texans camp. and they supposedly picked the best player in the draft.

it's all bullshit right now. plain and simple. show me one report that actually means something. it's like the talk on this forum. you can say manziel and gordon are the faces of the franchise, but like my opinion.....it doesn't mean shit.

@gftchris said:

No, you're just reading it that way.

I'm saying Manziel's issues aren't in his techniques and fundamentals. If his biggest technical knock is that he throws from his back foot on deep balls, I'll take it. His footwork will need refinement since he's operated primarily from the shotgun, but that's the case with most college quarterbacks these days.

Find me on professional analyst that says Manziel's technique is poor or that it's comparable to Tebow's, and I'll gladly revoke my previous statement.

Manziel's issues lie in his demeanor, his attitude and his size. But his mechanics? No way.

@miktoxic said:

You can't have it both ways. Bitch about how the Patriots get 10 minutes of highlights on ESPN to one Browns game highlight. Well, how much media coverage has Aaron Hernandez gotten? When the spotlight is on, it is on for the good or the bad. You can't just say, "I only want the good media attention." It's here, Johnny brings it, Gordon brings it, whether it is good or bad attention is up for the team to decide. Like I said, if things go well, Sportscenter will play 10 minutes of Browns highlights and we'll all be walking around with our chests puffed out. If the team implodes again, it's "lolbrowns" and back to barely a mention on SC.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

You're making it sound like Manziel is perfect but for his size - that'd be Russell Wilson. Manziel has his concerns as a QB as well. Not as much as Tebow, but he's by no means an Andrew Luck sure thing.