http://www.themonitor.com/news/immigration/drug-seizures-decline-along-u-s--mexico-border-as/article_2ab7d7f0-f8e0-11e3-a2bb-0017a43b2370.html

Economy swamped by illegals, deficit spending worse,

entitlements skyrocketing, energy prices going up.

war on coal, Benghazi scandal, IRS scandal, VA scandal,

spying on Americans scandal, Obamaogate imploding,

common core liberal offensive trojan horse, Iraq falling apart,

Fast and Furious scandal, going after 2nd Amendment scandal,

yeah. Libs don't have anything to say on it. Because the president

is a democrat.

pretty sick, eh? Anybody want to discuss the Cloward-Piven philosophy? Saul Alinski's "Rules for Radicals" ???

Not funny anymore, is it?

@diehardbrownsfan said:

For the eurostar - the passenger train version - there's airport-like security. For the car train (above), there's no security that I can remember.

@gftchris said:

I hope they have really strict security for the Eurotunnel. That would be a prime terrorist target you would think.

WSS

@calfoxwc said:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurotunnel_Shuttle

I reckon that's why y'all drive on the wrong side of the road.....

@the-cysko-kid said:

I agree - and already said as much. But within the EU, border control is basically non-existent, when I drove from England through europe and back - 18 border crossings I think in total - I did not have my passport checked once.

Think of the EU as essentially the United States of America when it comes to land borders, and I think that's similar. Then, all you have to do is get in to eastern europe somehow and you're all set.

@calfoxwc said:

I live in London - you think there are no illegal immigrants here? Chris

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Sure. Tens of thousands walk across Britain's border every week.

Got it.

Cal has got a real point here. Brian doesn't have the same degree of problem that America does.

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Sure. Tens of thousands walk across Britain's border every week.

Got it.

@westside-steve said:

We have enough, something like 15,000 from the newer, poorer members of the EU. But it's nothing that can't be handled, and it's certainly not like there's been an exodus from eastern europe to the promised land of the UK, as some anti-immigration types would have you believe.

@gftchris said:

There will always be some people looking for a cushy life, and sure, it's perhaps easier to get in the UK than Budapest. But studies have repeatedly shown that immigration is a benefit to a country, the vast majority of people moving to a new country are looking to be gainfully employed, average members of society, and there are some who will be well above average contributors to society.

Immigration isn't a thing to be feared. After all, people moving between cities/countries is basically how the world was built.

no need to get defensive, I basically agree.

it just seemed as though you were saying that you don't have much influx from the poorer members of the EU.

WSS

@westside-steve said:

There will always be some people looking for a cushy life, and sure, it's perhaps easier to get in the UK than Budapest. But studies have repeatedly shown that immigration is a benefit to a country, the vast majority of people moving to a new country are looking to be gainfully employed, average members of society, and there are some who will be well above average contributors to society.

Immigration isn't a thing to be feared. After all, people moving between cities/countries is basically how the world was built.

@gftchris said:

This is the general point of UKIP - there's this idea that the entire population of Romania, Bulgaria, and the rest are going to up sticks and move in next door to Mr & Mrs Smith, 4,000 people to a house, all claiming benefits. It's not really the case, obviously.

Well destitute people tend to move to places where its not destitute.

If in fact the skids are greased I don't know why they wouldn't but if you say it doesn't happen you know better than I.

WSS

@westside-steve said:

This is the general point of UKIP - there's this idea that the entire population of Romania, Bulgaria, and the rest are going to up sticks and move in next door to Mr & Mrs Smith, 4,000 people to a house, all claiming benefits. It's not really the case, obviously.

WSS

@diehardbrownsfan said:

I live in London - you think there are no illegal immigrants here? But you're right, it's a bigger problem for you than us, there's no convenient MASSIVE BORDER with other countries that mean you can sneak in undetected.

However, I'm not talking about illegal immigration, nor are the numbers cal posted. I'm talking about legal immigrants generally being in favour of immigration, and by a long, long way I have seen this to be true.

And while we're at it, why are people thinking you need to reduce the levels of immigration?

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Pretty much everybody who lives within the law supports stopping pretty much illegal anything (with a few notable exceptions). That's not the point.

@westside-steve said:

Generally I agree with you. Still keep in mind that those of us with roots in other countries probably aren't so much offended by illegals from what were once our homelands.

For instance in some of the Irish pubs I've played there have been a couple folks who had outstayed their visas and probably had no plans to return. All with a wink and a nod from the Irish American community.

I would bet in places that are bigger hotbeds of immigration, maybe Boston or New York, that would be even more common. Same with Cuban American citizens in Florida who wouldn't feel all that uncomfortable with some cousins who might not be on the up and up.

I'd support making immigration easier wild tightening up the security substantially. I can imagine how any right thinking citizen would oppose that. Eccept for the politicians...

WSS

I agree regarding things looking much different when it's more personal, and with your general ending premise.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

I think people who come here legally support stopping illegals. They did it the right way through visas, background checks, etc. Why should they want people who come illegally to get special treatment?

For instance in some of the Irish pubs I've played there have been a couple folks who had outstayed their visas and probably had no plans to return. All with a wink and a nod from the Irish American community.

I would bet in places that are bigger hotbeds of immigration, maybe Boston or New York, that would be even more common. Same with Cuban American citizens in Florida who wouldn't feel all that uncomfortable with some cousins who might not be on the up and up.

I'd support making immigration easier wild tightening up the security substantially. I can imagine how any right thinking citizen would oppose that. Eccept for the politicians...

WSS

@gftchris said:

OK, maybe I'm a bit extreme with UKIP - who won a depressingly large amount of the votes in the recent local elections - but generally if you're an immigrant, legal or otherwise, you'll be more likely to support the party that looks more kindly on immigration, not one looking to tighten the borders.

I may have got that wrong, thinking the reps are less immigrant friendly than the dems (can't imagine how I got that idea)?

I am totally behind a guest worker program and also recruiting the best and the brightest from around the world as we have done successfully for decades.

You may have noticed that whatever posts about criminals from other countries are specifically about illegals.

Unfortunately the left seems to have been successful in equating a desire for border security with xenophobia which is bullshit.

But when there is a lap dog press at the helm...

WSS

so for you to lump them in with the illegals who obviously favor the current plan ( no legal consequences) is plain wrong.