@demoted said:

I think that the Browns, given the state of their talent vis a vis the other teams in their division, are a team that can win now (win in the sense of compete for a playoff spot). They do have an unresolved QB issue.....but here is a clue for you: QB ain't the only position on the field, a team can and many have won with solid, if not spectacular QB play, which I think the Browns can achieve.

Hell, if Johnson is as good as he thinks he is, HE will make the QBs on this team look good. I mean, look what Josh Gordon did for Weeden/Hoyer/Campbell. He led the league in receiving yard, ypg, and became the only WR in history to post two consecutive 200 yard receiving games. And do you think that the Browns have an upgraded QB situation from last year?

Sorry....but a guy like Johnson has to be a factor in why a team wins.....he can not just be a guy that carried along like a kid holding his mama's skirts.

As I believe there are just two things that keep this Browns offense from being a winning offense: a top notch WR to replace what we will likely be losing in Gordon, and improved QB play.

I believe we will have the improved QB play to a great extent. But that WR spot is a spot to which, in my mind would be a great opportunity for Johnson.

But, you know, it is all likely irrelevent talk about the Browns getting Johnson because the DATs are taking a hard line stance with him and telling him to report or retire because they are not trading him.

@demoted said:

Multiple pro bowlers, an actual running game, one of the best O lines in the NFL, one of the best defenses in the NFL , QB's who worst case scenario can game manage and best case scenario electrify the offense.

That is the answer to your questions. The only question on this team is receiver. The fact Shanahan was his WR coach in 2006 and OC in 2008 and 2009 might help depending on what their relationship was like. I'd trade for Austin and a 2 for him in a heartbeat.

@miktoxic said:

go suck somebody's dick cuz i'd rather hear nothing from you except a gagging noise.

bitch.

If you can't handle the conversation then stop reading. Simple as that... Can't believe I need to tell you how to act like An adult hahaha.

@demoted said:

go suck somebody's dick cuz i'd rather hear nothing from you except a gagging noise.

bitch.

@the-gipper said:

It isn't a question of what he means....it is a question of how you interpret what he means.

You seem to be saying that he only wants to go to a team that now has a long recent record of winning. And I want to know who you think those teams are if you were advising him. And, fyi, the Seahawks would probably not be among that list...other than the fact that they won the most recent SB.

I take his meaning as that he wants to go to a team that can win now.....whether or not they have won much in the past.

So, I don't know, if we want that, why does he not just consult the Las Vegas odds of teams that are favored. Certain "perenialls" may not be among that group.

What make you think the Browns are even close to a team that can win now? He is not looking for another team with a question at QB. Come on man common sense with this stuff. He is a #1 WR he wants a contender not a "Hey maybe we can contend in a few years if we get lucky and draft a good QB". He went through that crap with Texans.

@demoted said:

It isn't a question of what he means....it is a question of how you interpret what he means.

You seem to be saying that he only wants to go to a team that now has a long recent record of winning. And I want to know who you think those teams are if you were advising him. And, fyi, the Seahawks would probably not be among that list...other than the fact that they won the most recent SB.

I take his meaning as that he wants to go to a team that can win now.....whether or not they have won much in the past.

So, I don't know, if we want that, why does he not just consult the Las Vegas odds of teams that are favored. Certain "perenialls" may not be among that group.

@demoted said:

That wasn't the question....it said Andre Johnson wanted to go to a contender, not a "perennial contender".

Teams have gone from 4-12 or 5-11 to win Super Bowls. Teams have gone from Super Bowls to 5-11.

And just who are these so called "perennial contenders"? The Seattle Seahawks certainly are not, have never been until the last year or so. The only real obvious one is the Patriots., maybe the Broncos.

Hell....one could say that the Texans, who have been in the playoffs now for like 3 years in a row are "perennial".

Teams that used to be "perennial" contenders, like the Ravens and Steelers sure ain't that now.

Please, inform us all who this magic list of perennial contenders is that we should all know about.

@the-gipper said:

Are you a dumbass who cannot read? No one can tell who is a contender right now, not really. Like I said above, the Atlanta Falcons were a Super Bowl contender....supposedly, last year. And they ended up 3-13. And other teams that were like 3-13 the year before end up like 10-6.

Learn what contender means then come back and try to have a conversation. Not hard to pick out teams that contend on a yearly basis. Don't be such a dumbass and realize that. Are the Browns a yearly contender? No it's not hard to figure that out... Well, maybe for you it seems.

@demoted said:

Are you a dumbass who cannot read? No one can tell who is a contender right now, not really. Like I said above, the Atlanta Falcons were a Super Bowl contender....supposedly, last year. And they ended up 3-13. And other teams that were like 3-13 the year before end up like 10-6.

Could just be the Texans posturing early, but the longer they do, the harder it is going to be for Andre to go to another team and learn their system. And FWIW the one knock on Andre has always been that he was not the quickest study.

@demoted said:

At this point he just want to go else where. He said a few weeks ago that he would report to training camp, but he asked to be paid his $1 million workout bonus that he missed out on. He figured that he had been constantly reworking his contract and taking pay cuts in past seasons so that the team could sign players, they they owed it to him (and if you look at it like that they do), but the team refused. That is why he is asking to be traded cause he now feels that the team doesn't really give too much of a shit about all that he has done for them in the past.

I think he goes for it, cause at this moment, the Browns look like the better team minus a WR. He knows that he can fill that hole and not just going to a team that is ready to compete without him, but to a team where he would potentially be the final piece of the puzzle.

@miktoxic said:

boy, you're quick.

that's why we were rollin through the other teams...........UMBFGH!!

@demoted said:

boy, you're quick.

that's why we were rollin through the other teams...........UMBFGH!!

@tour2ma said:

panthers were my second choice............ on east coast

other choices would be denver and the champs (i guess) but what about indy?

Of course, in today's NFL one year's bad team is a contender the next year. Having a veteral WR like Johnson could be a missing link to make the Browns very, very competitive.

Sorry, but the Browns talent is as good as any other team in the AFCN, Johnson would help secure that. It is merely a matter of learning how to win.

And vice versa is true: a team that you think can be a contender can be a dud. What was Super Bowl contender Atlanta's record last year? 3-13?

@calfoxwc said:

I swear on the NFL channel, one guy said he may very well go for as low as a fifth round pick.

Given that he does not want to play for the Texans, they don't have a great deal of trade leverage.

@miktoxic said:

New England?

I'm sure they'd be on his short list...

Panthers seem like a good fit.

It's why he wants out of Houston.

It is why he would not report to Cleveland among many other teams.