Johnson and Austin to help temper Manziel's learning curve while Gordon is out? It's not the worst thing I've heard.

Then Gordon, Austin, Johnson and Cameron, with Benjamin in the slot? Plus Tate and West to run the rock?

@miktoxic said:

"To trade or not to trade, that is the question."-Johnny Shakespeare

@jockitch said:

I'm hearing Hoyer to Houston as well.

We could have Grossman starting with Manziel learning the ropes this season.

@jockitch said:

U R funee- you shud b a comedeun. About 1 in 100 chance Hoyer gets traded. About zero chance Grossman starts over anyone- unless every other able bodied qb is hurd.

@miktoxic said:

Oh the irony.....

@the-gipper said:

Oh, OK, I will bite on this silliness. If we were to trade Hoyer to Houston, what would we get in return?

I'm hearing Andre Johnson. He's not happy since OBrien took over.

@jockitch said:

Oh, OK, I will bite on this silliness. If we were to trade Hoyer to Houston, what would we get in return?

@everlastingxxx said:

Interesting rumor going around. Sexy Rexy might make Hoyer tradeable to Houston. Hoyer and OBrien were together in NE for a couple years. Houston has a serious issue at QB. Browns have a serious issue at WR. Johnson for Hoyer? HMMMM

I'm hearing Hoyer to Houston as well.

We could have Grossman starting with Manziel learning the ropes this season.

@txdawg said:

Being from Houston I'm just not as loyal as you guys. The oilers left. And when football came back bud Adams wouldn't sell us the rights to the oilers. Frustrating.

Houston was my second home. Actually lived there longer (30 years) than I did in NE Ohio (22 yrs).

Lived thru the "Luv Ya Blue" phenomenon... and Luv them I did.

While I never rooted for the Oilers over the Browns, I never rooted against them except when they played the Browns.

Gave me the rare "honor" of losing two NFL teams.

Long story short: was happy the browns took him. I see the browns as the oilers in many ways.

That's a low blow...

In Cleveland there is a losing culture that needs to get bleached. I can hear it in your post. Johnny is that bleach. I have no doubt about that. Johnny doesn't think failure, he doesn't even see it being possible, that's why he makes risky plays.

I see a Chlorox endorsement in his future...

Good for you and your no doubt. But everything after that is just another way of saying reckless, which is why he is a defensive-minded coach's worst nightmare.

Edit: wow! and a successful troll at that. I'll drop that stuff when I see the fanboy stuff get dropped. Or if I get banned (which I would see fair-not my kitchen)

My fan ship was up in the draft. As a frustrated texans fan, it was perfect. They had the top pick, no qb, not taking johnny freed me up to go with whoever took him.

Being from Houston I'm just not as loyal as you guys. The oilers left. And when football came back bud Adams wouldn't sell us the rights to the oilers. Frustrating.

Long story short: was happy the browns took him. I see the browns as the oilers in many ways.

In Cleveland there is a losing culture that needs to get bleached. I can hear it in your post. Johnny is that bleach. I have no doubt about that. Johnny doesn't think failure, he doesn't even see it being possible, that's why he makes risky plays.

Everyone here thinks in failure. Worst case scenarios. You guys need johnny.

@jrb12711 said:

It's good in a way- and bad in others. No one can accuse ESPN anymore of being "fair and balanced".

@stocktonshorts said:

I think the Grossman signing opens the possibility that Hoyer or Johnny is moved. The coaches and front office has to be under the assumption that they cannot coexist. The media and fans are not going to back down once a starter is named, theres always going to be a divide calling for the other guy.

Even the team is split, and I dont believe its a bitter split, but after a few losses that divide will become bitter.

Of course Hoyer is the obvious choice to be moved, has good momentum and no contract for next year so youd lose him for nothing if you dont move him beforehand.

However I can see a situation where say...the Cowboys realize Romo is about done and offer two first rounders and more for Johnny....Browns would have to consider that.

Now do I think the Browns do those things? I doubt it, but you know its at least been discussed, and Rex Grossman being there actually gives them the option to made a deal if they felt like it becomes necessary.

Excepting the possible price JJ would pay for JM, it's all good, honest speculation IMO... good post.

The only way JM would be worth anything approaching two 1sts+ is if he starts opening day and leads us to 3 quick victories. In the highly unlikely case of that being true, he would not be available at any price.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

The possibility of Hoyer being moved is laughable, just as Johnny.

Who would want Hoyer? Nobody.

I can see a reasonable, QB controversy based scenario where moving BH is possible. And I can see teams that would be interested in adding a back-up QB for a conditional draft choice.

@utzie said:

"BEREA, Ohio -- The addition of quarterback Rex Grossman to the Cleveland Browns does not make Brian Hoyer expendable, coach Mike Pettine said Tuesday.

"Absolutely not" was Pettine's response when asked that question.

Pettine was just as adamant that Grossman's addition does not mean the Browns are at all unhappy with the way things have gone with Hoyer and Johnny Manziel as they compete to be the Browns' starter."

Can all you irrational JFF fans drop it now?

Would seem to settle the issue for now. But what is true today may not be true tomorrow.

@txdawg said:

my gut says manziel and hoyer don't like each other, plus the locker room is divided; one is going to leave.

@txdawg said:

its a gut feeling. i don't have any substantial evidence other than they want the same job.

they're competing. as mature as i'm sure they try to be, you want the other guy to fail. especially hoyer since this might be his last shot.

That and no selfies together...

They are two very different personalities, so even without the competition I doubt they'd be buds. But I also doubt that either is rooting for the other's failure. That just happens to be the other side of their succeeding.

As for anything especially Hoyer...

If it turns out to be JM, then BH not only would be denied his job, but his dream, hometown job.

Not a decision basis... just a fact...

@letsgetthiggywithit said:

how do I delete my account?

@txdawg said:

can staff edit to rexywithit?

Classic and classicer...

@jcam222 said:

Whenever I hear that someone was "home schooled", I automatically get this impression: Not well educated...not exposed to reality. I mean, who was their teacher.....mama and dada? Or some computer program.

@txdawg said:

Mentor, schmentor. Sure Grossman can mentor these guys....including both JFF and Hoyer....who is still young in terms of NFL playing experience.

But Grossman is here to be the 3rd string QB.....and in the recent history of the Cleveland Browns the 3rd string QB has about a 50% chance of actually starting a number of games in a season for this team.

As for public school.....did you go to a school that had more than one room?

@stocktonshorts said:

I think you are dead wrong on everything you have surmised right here.

"Absolutely not" was Pettine's response when asked that question.

Pettine was just as adamant that Grossman's addition does not mean the Browns are at all unhappy with the way things have gone with Hoyer and Johnny Manziel as they compete to be the Browns' starter."

Can all you irrational JFF fans drop it now?

@bob806 said:

Some folks yes. But there is a difference, one is faith based education. Investment wise is debatable depending on the course of study.