@tour2ma said:

Nominated and seconded... Mod's now need to make it happen.

I'll third this if necessary.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Thats crazy Masterdog. Give the kid a break and time. Your hate for him is abnormal to say the least.

For every action there is an equal, opposite reaction.

@masterdog said:

I would trade this lazy a@@, entitled, Vegas, coke sniffing, spoiled, short, i won't change who i am for anyone, rich kid from Texas in a heartbeat.

We might be lucky to get a 6th rounder today.

@hoorta said:

Yeah, and JFF didn't look much better in the first half when he had his shot playing with the first team.

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Much? Exactly how much better do you insist on?

A little bit doesn't cut it?

Here's the bottom line:

if, after the limited action we were privy to, the coaches have determined that Brian Hoyer is the best quarterback in camy it makes me think about two scenarios.

1 if the first two preseason games are the basis for the decision we are fucked.

2 if the coach has made this decision to punish the rookie at the expense of the team we are still fucked, maybe worse.

It is, however, worthy of a chuckle to hear the hate coming from the guys who called hometown favorite Brady Quinn's fans homos fags queers cocksuckers etc..

What's the OverUnder to turn on Hoyer? 3 games?

I hope he goes 3 and 0 but....

WSS

We might be lucky to get a 6th rounder today.

"Johnny Manziel is struggling -- and continues to struggle -- with the Browns' playbook.

@dste-ace said:

I think you forgot the "Va" in front of your name.

Nominated and seconded... Mod's now need to make it happen.

@johnny-football said:

Yeah, I have some extra time now... so what? Why do you expect Hoyer to be any perform any better than me? He can't play any better and I can't get any worse and still my stats were more impressive. By the way, no one will be watching our games anymore. Nice job coach!

Stats? LOL... Make a read and call me in the morning....

Hoyer has played better...

He will again...

... and Browns fans will be watching.

@hoorta said:

Yeah, I have some extra time now... so what? Why do you expect Hoyer to be any perform any better than me? He can't play any better and I can't get any worse and still my stats were more impressive. By the way, no one will be watching our games anymore. Nice job coach!

jayjay said:

Yeah, and JFF didn't look much better in the first half when he had his shot playing with the first team. Hmmmm.... He doesn't look quite so elusive, now that he's playing in the Big Boy league.

@johnny-football said:

I would! Please trade me!

Oh, Johnny, it was just a matter of time until you showed up for real. We've heard you like to hang out on A&M Boards. We're so honored to have you as a distinguished member here.

jayjay said:

please trade manziel...preferably to the cowboys....please....he doesn't deserve to play for such a dysfunctional franchise.....let the browns keep their home town homey hoyer......i'm sure they'll do great...laugh laugh....!!

just trade manziel, please.....pettine's an idiot and shanahan's not a lot better....there's a reason he flamed out in dc....

Maybe he can flip us off on the way out of town. Want some objective third party opinion on Johnny Football?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24667689/boomer-esiason-if-manziel-starts-vs-steelers-hell-get-his-ass-kicked

just trade manziel, please.....pettine's an idiot and shanahan's not a lot better....there's a reason he flamed out in dc....

@dste-ace said:

I think you forgot the "Va" in front of your name.

Hahhaa. Eveytime is see his name I read it as vajayjay

@dste-ace said:

gaygay will go one step better and name sexy rexy as the starter...

After not one, two preseason games. We should just restart. Fire Pettine and Farmer!

jayjay said:

I know, man! Goddam, I can't believe they named Hoyer the starter! He looked like shit Monday night and then

Johnny came out and lit it up and showed everyone why he should be the starter and...uh...

Oh.

Never mind.

jayjay said:

Go away gay boy, you're not welcome here.

jayjay said:

So..... Aggie fan?

hoyer screwed the pooch monday night and for that he gets named starter.....is pettine nuts....of course he's only the hc because no one else wanted to be associated with such a lousy team...don't blame them....

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

How could you possibly know you're getting a worse QB? We just drafted the guy. We have no clue what he's going to become.

The chances of Manziel being a successful NFL QB, at this very moment, are exactly the same as Winston's, Hundley's, Mariota's, Bortles', Bridgewater's, etc.

In the basest of rationalities, Manziel has a 50/50 chance, right now, at being a successful NFL QB. He either will be or he won't be. I would trade that in a heartbeat for the chance to get two guys with 50/50 shots at being successful.

Trading Manziel would do two things:

1) it would give us a chance to fully see what Hoyer (and maybe Shaw) are capable of

and

2) it would give us a couple additional high-probability draft picks to build future positions of need

Obviously, this is a hypothetical situation and it won't happen. And I am happy with having Johnny Manziel. But, personally, I don't stop trying to improve something just because I'm happy. If there's a way to make the Browns better, it should be explored.

And if Manziel starts doing some of the things he did in college? And you're stuck with your pants down with two 50-50 rookies that could just as easily bust.

Im not that high on Manziel, but I'd like to see him play before I'd even "hypothetically" think about moving him...