@wudupdawg said:

All good points. Three words is in fact more simple to communicate than 15, regardless of it's meaning. Build = change, but I don't want to get into semantics here, just calling it like I see it without the sugarcoating.

But you are right, it doesn't make the offense more simple, just the manner in which it is communicated and executed, thus allowing for more speed in running the offense and getting the ball snapped quicker. Every second matters when you run a hurry up, the goal is to snap the ball before the defense can get comfortable and get set, also for substitution purposes and wearing down a defense. The quicker the offense, the bigger the advantage, if it's run correctly and the plays are executed. It puts the defense at a disadvantage. But running a two minute offense is not the same as running a hurry up offense at full speed for 60 minutes. It's not something that a QB can learn to run effectively in just a few practices. You have to be very well conditioned to push the tempo to the max play-in, play-out for entire games.

We are dangerously close to completely agreeing...

My 2-minute point was simply to demonstrate that it is not a foreign concept. Pushing pace for a complete game is certainly more taxing... mentally as well as physically... especially for QBs.

I believe the hurry-up will be brought along slowly. I do not see it being the preferred, primary scheme of our Defense-oriented HC. I see it being a situational choice to push an perceived advantage, e.g., after a quick turnover.

Canton is currently creating a space for him in the HOF.

@tour2ma said:

All good points. Three words is in fact more simple to communicate than 15, regardless of it's meaning. Build = change, but I don't want to get into semantics here, just calling it like I see it without the sugarcoating.

But you are right, it doesn't make the offense more simple, just the manner in which it is communicated and executed, thus allowing for more speed in running the offense and getting the ball snapped quicker. Every second matters when you run a hurry up, the goal is to snap the ball before the defense can get comfortable and get set, also for substitution purposes and wearing down a defense. The quicker the offense, the bigger the advantage, if it's run correctly and the plays are executed. It puts the defense at a disadvantage. But running a two minute offense is not the same as running a hurry up offense at full speed for 60 minutes. It's not something that a QB can learn to run effectively in just a few practices. You have to be very well conditioned to push the tempo to the max play-in, play-out for entire games.

@wudupdawg said:

Why on earth would they be looking to change their offensive philosophy halfway through preseason camp? Surely it's not about fitting your system to exploit the talents of your players. Which other QB on the roster is experienced in pushing that kind of tempo, game in, game out, the entire game?

Why does it have to be a change? Why not simply a build?

If you look at Pettine's recent comments on the Hurry-up... it seems like a build to me. And it would make perfect sense to build the play calls to their umpteen word form before reducing to three, which does not strike me as a "simplification". Having to speak fewer words while having the same depth of understanding is not simpler. What may be simpler is that not all umpteen word play calls make it to the three word list.

As for experience in the hurry up... JM has more, but it's not like traditional QBs can't adapt, e.g., Nick Foles, Big Ben. Every NFL team has had a 2-minute offense for as long as I can remember.

@miktoxic said:

LOL!

@tour2ma said:

one of the first movies i saw on the breakthrough 'video disc' format. it was kinda cool from what i remember of it. like '83?

@the-gipper said:

@tour2ma said:

Ah... but once upon a time Debbie was as hot as a cigarette burn...

The same was true with Nancy Wilson of Heart....but now sometimes I think I see her hovering over sporting events.

I was always more partial to Ann Wilson... So don't tell me I can't pick a winner!

The big question, however, is who caught my Videodrome reference?

@texasag1969 said:

@tour2ma said:

@dste-ace said:

I am glad that at least one person got it.

@gips said:

betting what?

Hoyer can work with the no huddle as well but he does not possess the true dual threat that manziel does and if our running game isnt broken he shouldnt need to..

@ibleedbrown said:

I got the reference, but didn't know she had gained a lot of weight. Is that where you were going with it?

Ah... but once upon a time Debbie was as hot as a cigarette burn...

Was a nice thread, Ibb, until the JM tea leave reading reared its head... again...

@the-gipper said:

You probably lost half the board with the Blondie reference.

@miktoxic said:

triple sigh....

... and still managed to stick the landing...

@wudupdawg said:

Seems like the Browns are getting up to speed on what Johnny has to offer. Manziel ran one of the fastest-paced offenses in the NCAA the last 2 years. I think you will see more of the same, and getting Manziel into his comfort zone and exploiting what he does well will only add to the potential of what this offense can do with Manziel running it. He is very comfortable pushing the tempo to the max and I think it's a big part of his success, so why not? That's where football is headed anyways, more no huddle and more uptempo. Until the NFL decides to put the brakes on it with rule changes, you can't deny the added advantages it brings and having someone like JF running it adds another dimension to what the opposing defenses have to defend and prepare for.

Sure... cause BH can't handle a hurry up... too tall...

same reason that Big Ben can't...

or Nick Foles...

or...

Sigh...

@texasag1969 said:

Well, just because they may "dumb it down" for JFF doesn't mean that he is getting the nod. I expect that Hoyer could operate with the dumbed down play calls as well.

Again, don't think that this is the sign of the Rapture just yet.

We don't know even if Debbie Harry is warming up her vocal chords.

@texasag1969 said:

Because they say they have not decided yet on a QB, but this kind of offense is designed specifically for JF and not Hoyer, whose main experience is in the typical 18 word play coming out of a huddle.

Double sigh...

@the-gipper said:

Because they say they have not decided yet on a QB, but this kind of offense is designed specifically for JF and not Hoyer, whose main experience is in the typical 18 word play coming out of a huddle.

@texasag1969 said:

Are we being tipped off that the Browns are definitely adjusting to the player?

Sigh...