This isn't religion, this is football. These are pure fact. There is no belief or disbelief. Sorry you don't like the facts, but even I cannot change them. I only reported them.

@thenew23 said:

I can't believe how much hate for Manziel there is from Browns fans.... He's our first round rookie QB... we should be excited. I guess maybe it's a good thing...

No hate... just pacing myself by holding off until he does something exciting... on an NFL field...

@douche-nozzle said:

@thenew23 said:

I can't believe how much hate for Manziel there is from Browns fans.... He's our first round rookie QB... we should be excited. I guess maybe it's a good thing...

+1

WSS

so why does it matter

Let whoever it is get lots and lots and lots of work from now until the season starts.

That was my biggest concern going into this season was too much newness happening with the offense. Recipe for a slow start.

@douche-nozzle said:

I don't think our inept offense will have any troubles with your ancient and decrepit defense. Nor do I expect to have your

There's no such thing as bad media. Whether people are shittalking the Browns or singing their praises, they're still talking about them. That's why they sold out of season tickets in 30 minutes, that's why their first preseason game broke NFL records, that's why every home game is already nearly (and will be) sold out, and that's why Cleveland will beat Pittsburgh in attendance figures.

Tell me, for a team that's so unparalleled and amazing, why did they finish 28th in the league in fan attendance percentage last year, sandwiched between St. Louis and Jacksonville?

Oh, that's right. It's because your fanbase is 95% poor dumpster trash bandwagoners.

But please, continue to spew out your opinions like they are fact. The rest of us will just use facts like they're facts.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

I would shit bricks of joy if we could get a first round pick for him now. If we could send him and a throw in to the Texans for Andre Johnson and a first Id need a paramedic to bring me back from my stroke.

Not the first mistake he's made, but he's a rookie HC, hopefully he will learn from this experience.

@douche-nozzle said:

1. It wasn't Hoyer's job to lose. It was a job for either of them to win. At this point, they are both equally in the weeds. Trade the guy who gives you the most value and start the other. Then use one of the two first round picks next year (or package them to move up) and take the top-rated QB in next year's draft. The top three prospects next season are all better physical prospects than Johnny, they have the same athletic playmaking ability, and they are all less of a media distraction. (Not that I give a shit about that at all.)

2. That's funny.

Johnny's purpose was to put the spotlight on Cleveland. He did that, in great fashion. To me...he's grown out of his usefulness.

Say we trade him for a first round pick, we take a QB with that pick, and Johnny goes on to have a great NFL career. Even if the QB we get from his pick ends up being less of an influential player, Johnny will still have helped the team in great fashion because he'll have also allowed us to take two other great first round players.

To be clear, I don't expect any of that to happen...I'm just saying that's what I would do if this were Madden and I were running the Browns.

@demoted said:

You're a fucking twat.

Without those things, you're totally FUCKED.

The receivers sucked.

Every QB sucked except for Shaw.

why is everybody pissing and moaning about the QB play when the WHOLE offense was out of synch

O lines alone usually take a while to gel...

so just chill

@douche-nozzle said:

The bottom line is two fold:

1. Hoyer was the starter at the end of last year and at the beginning of this year. It was Manziel's job to take it away and he didn't do that.

2. The Browns aren't going to win in Pittsburgh barring a fluke so why put Manziel in that situation if he is indeed the future?

@gips said:

Delaying a choice until next week is delaying a starter from getting reps and building a much needed rhythm regardless of the choice..

While they both stunk it up last night manziel thusfar has performed very slightly better with far fewer reps with the first team throughout training camp..

I am of the opinion pettine should give johnny finger the start, imo neither of them have earned the job but johnny finger has managed to catch up and has slightly better game stats showing that he will likely bypass hometown hoyers abilities when given all the first reps..

The worst thing that happens in this scenario is johnny rook cant get it done/gets hurt and hoyer the 6 year veteran backup takes over doing what he has always done..

If brian gets the nod and then gets hurt we would be back to square one with johnny rook not having enough work with the ones to have a rhythm possibly losing even more games..