@masterdog said:

@jrb12711 said:

So you JFF fanboys point to college tape but discount NFL preseason.

I would conclude that NFL preseason is closer to NFL game play then College football.

@miktoxic said:

So we took the pig with the lipsticks and bright lights...

Good: Carson Palmer
Bad: Jordan Palmer

Good: Matt Hasselbeck
Bad: Tim Hasselbeck

Good: Peyton Manning
Bad: Eli Manning

Good: Derek Carr (?)
Bad: David Carr

Meh: Josh McNown
Meh: Luke McNown

Good: Terry Bradshaw
Bad: Craig Bradshaw

@masterdog said:

i think even the most hardcore manziel fans have figured that out by now (notice the disappearance of them since his grand debut of mediocre play in the preseason) that he didn't properly prepare himself prior to TC by learning the playbook. sure he could do that in college because what kind of playbook did they really have?

the kid shot himself in the foot being mr. celeb prior to training camp and others were at team facilities working with other players studying the playbook.

and hoyer is such a bum that manziel couldn't beat him out.

"Raiders C Stefen Wisniewski said rookie QB Derek Carr surprised him by knowing the entire offensive playbook in July.

Jones spent the past six seasons catching passes from Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay, and has been excited about Carr’s similar development.
“He’s really calm, really cool in the pocket,” Jones said. “He acts like he’s been there before. I’ve been calling him mini A-Rod since he got here.”

That arm is very very 'alive'. It's effortless coming out.

bilichick (and everyone else that watched any of their preseason games) knows he drafted a keeper in garropollo. kid looked smooth as a virgin's tush.

@miktoxic said:

too early to tell how he will turn out.

Belichick and the patriots don't let talent leave for a 7th rd conditional 6th. They pimped the shit out of him and no one bit. Let's be honest he's probably is going to stink.

He's got the 'IT' factor when watching him on TV.

@texasag1969 said:

Carr is going to live his brother's nightmares before this season is over. I'm glad Pettine is handling JM far differently.

.. or that Hoyer is not Schaub...

@brownsfanatic said:

what i saw of that games when carr drove them up and down the field against the one's...it sure as hell looked to me like they were trying. their defenders were screaming at each other (sherman) because they were getting embarassed.

better put your glasses on and rewatch that first quarter.

@erie-dawg said:

i was wondering if we could get him in a trade before the draft this year.

too early to tell how he will turn out.

@tour2ma said:

Yeah, he was pretty good. What's hard to understand is how he fast he lost it.

Zombo

@westside-steve said:

Never understood the Schaub love from some of you guys.

It's easy, if you could overlook his 2013 performance, when he just lost "it".

After becoming a back-up phenom in ATL, he grew to be a more than solid starter in Houston stringing together five-90+ rating seasons. He was one of the longer lasting back-up to starter stories in recent memory.

Oakland currently has serviceable talent and by first impressions a heck of a draft class. If they can keep what talent they have, add a few crafty vets and hit on a few more draft picks, they could be pretty decent again.

Personally, I miss having a good Raiders team. I think its good for the NFL as they're a fanbase just a passionate and sometimes as ignorant as the clowns.

@poeticg said:

Yup PG Brandon Weeden had a 100 qbr last preseason too. OTOH TR has this year to show something for the Colts- which he hasn't done yet. Or you have an explanation why Richardson is averaging 2.6 ypc, and Boom Herron is at 5+ on the same team?

PS to the Manzealots- who have been rather quiet of late- don't use the argument that just because Carr is starting, JF should too.

@poeticg said:

lol Thanks, I needed that laugh.

@browns149 said:

Um no. Neither Matt Flynn nor Kevin Kolb are better than Brian Hoyer or Johnny Manziel