@tour2ma said:

Higbee's is the Casino. I am not sure what the Sterling Linder building is.

I believe the old Sterling Linder building is now the downtown casino. Yes?

@the-cysko-kid said:

While most of what you say is true, Cleveland proper has many revitalized neighborhoods. I just traveled through Tremont, Ohio City, the Glenville area, Little Italy, Lakeshore, just to name a few. Even downtown Cleveland has vastly increased the number of residents. When I was going to law school there, there were maybe two apartment buildings for people to live in. Now, they are everywhere from older buildings converted to lofts to newer construction. There is a huge residential construction project going on in the Flats where Fagan's used to be.

@vagitron said:

There is no debating facts. And mainly I just recite facts....and win.

@vagitron said:

And we are tired of reading and hearing all the ignorant bs about the City of Cleveland. Cleveland is a model for revitalization and its unarguable. I just spent an entire day and night with people from a foreign country touring Cleveland who absolutely agreed.

Why are you trying so hard to fit the stereotype of the ignorant Steeler fan. I might expect such stuff from Douche Nozzle or Joe Suxdicks....but I thought you were a bit above those types. Apparently I was wrong

WSS

@vagitron said:

No, I just spent the day with cousins from England touring Cleveland, and they loved it. Things were vibrant all over town. A lot of new construction going on, and lot of places totally revitalised. Lots of "party streets". From the East Side to the West Side from the Flats to Downtown, lots of great things happening.

You have no fucking clue what you are talking about. You are still reading newspapers from like 1973 apparently.

@vagitron said:

OK, the stadium isn't as dump. Maybe just a recycle plant. The one thing I hear about is that the playing surface is poorly maintained.

Otherwise, how can you explain the phenomena about the poor kicking that happens there? I mean, it is not like Candlestick Park was with the swirling winds....or even the winds you get off Lake Erie in Browns Stadium. Are you telling me that the river causes weird winds.

How do you explain it....for, as you know, the Steelers more than any other team suffer because of it.

@vagitron said:

wow. the whole city came out of the closet?

to the forefront of what?

@vagitron said:

54 yards is a long ass field goal at Heinz field, miss it and the steelers have tremendous field position with plenty of time. Punting was the right call.

Tremendous field position... Kind of like they had after the first down following the punt?

WSS

@vagitron said:

Question is, do I get the water wings with the helmet? If not, no deal.

@vagitron said:

Kent state main...

Sweet... Did you know Josh Cribbs?

@tiamat63 said:

:lol:

edit: The Trumbull campus, probably!

Kent state main and you're special. Helmet special.

@tiamat63 said:

:lol:

edit: The Trumbull campus, probably!

Theres no sense in arguing with "Chum-Lee"

@vagitron said:

:lol:

edit: The Trumbull campus, probably!

@vagitron said:

I'm absolutely not, Pittsburgh dug its way out of the steel industry collapse to out itself at the forefront. I went to kent state. Cleveland has some redeeming qualities but also some glaring problems. I'm tired of reading or hearing all the ignorant bs about the city of Pittsburgh. Don't like the sports teams fine. The city on the other hand is a model for revitalization and urban renewal and its unarguable.

Cleveland has world class hospitals park systems theater districts and a higher degree of natural beauty. Pittsburgh has the hills which are pretty but let's be honest it sucks balls to live on a hill. These demographics are also wildly skewed by not including the suburbs. Almost all of the professionals live in the burbs. The bar and restaurant scene is better in the burbs. Cleveland proper is almost like a museum all the big historic beautiful marble buildings empty out at night and the city is largely empty. The people who actually live in the city west or east are not exactly what you'd call the cream of the crop...but our highway system is such that you can live in Strongsville, or west lake or Olmsted falls and be in the city in 20 minutes. You're comparing the 389,000 people who live in cleveland to Pittsburgh when in reality the Cleveland metropolitan area encompasses more than 6 million people.

@erie-dawg said:

And you notice who brought up the city argument. I think he misses gipper slamming him.

Gipper foams at the mouth and gets the support of the masses here whether he's right or wrong. Gipper is the little guy with all the participation trophies. I'd love to debate Mr. Holier than thou in person.

@the-cysko-kid said:

I think you're wearing blinders dude. I really do. Cleveland is fine. You're basing this solely off sports performance. When the cavs dominate the NBA this season you'll start seeing the talking heads say how great cleveland is all of a sudden.

I'm absolutely not, Pittsburgh dug its way out of the steel industry collapse to out itself at the forefront. I went to kent state. Cleveland has some redeeming qualities but also some glaring problems. I'm tired of reading or hearing all the ignorant bs about the city of Pittsburgh. Don't like the sports teams fine. The city on the other hand is a model for revitalization and urban renewal and its unarguable.

maybe a FG is not out of the question.

As for winning the game, we were in FG range in the first half and a sack took us out of that opportunity. In the second half, inside the 5, Hoyer turns the wrong way and we settle for a FG. That's 7 points and the game! Yes, the defense played poorly in the first half. In all, what a missed opportunity to pull a great upset and come-from-behind victory,