@diehardbrownsfan said:

Lumbergh was the DA homeboy from Oregon.

Ahhh... so it Mark O that wrote the song?

Lumbergh and I would have had fun as I was a full-on advocate of trading DA after his "break-out season". Ditto for Braylon after the same season.

@miktoxic said:

Ahhh. Ok, it's not smelly cheese, it's a smelly QB lover.

I wasn't a forum talker then, but I can see it now. A debate about whos better? Quinn or Anderson? Hahahaha. Oh my goodness, that had to be awesome.

I bet all the lovers of those two got quiet quickly.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

You mean PoG, the prequel?

@tour2ma said:

Lumbergh was the DA homeboy from Oregon.

can't say more than that.

@miktoxic said:

isnt Lumbergh smelly cheese? If so, then Im a no thank you too.

@miktoxic said:

wasn't here for the lumbergh era.......but heard all about it.

Did he write the CCR hit "Brady Q"?

"Oh Brady Q,

Oh Brady Q,

Oh Brady Q, baby I love you...

... Brady Q"

@atenears said:

wasn't here for the lumbergh era.......but heard all about it.

no thank you.

@texasag1969 said:

...or was he doing it because he was throwing his first pass and was trying to be sure of it?

My take on it was that he "aimed it", but other than JM who knows...

@manzier said:

Some credit goes to the defender for a good hit. Some receivers would have held that ball, but a lot would have dropped it too.

My take as well... Byrd closed fast and played a very good game.

Could it be JFF doesnt trust Agnew?? OR couldit be that JFF doesn't see him soon enough? OR could it be that JFF is always trying for the big play and not mature enough(yet) to take the sure yards?

My take on the Agnew drop was that he caught it, had it in his hands and then took a hard hit on the hands before he got the ball wrapped up.

Some credit goes to the defender for a good hit. Some receivers would have held that ball, but a lot would have dropped it too.

@texasag1969 said:

I just re-watched in slow-mo the pass from JM to Agnew. He threw it as a touch pass to a FB, but Agnew actually caught it with both hands, brought it in and coughed it up on the hit by the DB. So not only was it catchable, it was caught and then dropped. Guess he needs to go to the Jimmy Graham school of "good hands people".

Your "touch pass" is my "guided, not cut loose", your "brought" is my "bringing", but we are seeing pretty much the same thing.

Had JM cut it loose, as he can cross-body, it might have been put away before the hit came.

Or bounced off Agnew's face mask...

@clevfan4life said:

...I don't know what video you're looking at but JM only threw one pass against the Saints on sunday and it's easy to find the video. Just watched it, don't see any wobble to it but maybe the angle isn't right.

When I first saw it live, I thought it clearly wobbled. Not so much when I re-watched it. But in the replay from the end zone angle it does show up just prior to the ball getting to Agnew. It almost takes a slo-mo look since the ball is not in that shot for most of its travel.

But regardless wobble was not a catch/ no catch factor... velocity, or rather lack thereof, may have been.

@miktoxic said:

It's called a conspiracy. Don't make me bring Lumbergh back.

@tour2ma said:

What no color highlights?

Geez, at least I used color and simplified things so no one was flat out board from all the technical mumbo-jumbo.

If you think I was dishonest and altered stats to fit my agenda on this one, stick around the bullshit gets better the more relevant the topic.

You lost me at "Here's the straight copy ..." I think I actually yawned.

@the-gipper said:

stan had a plan.

@the-gipper said:

Hoyer had an excellent game-back on track!

@hoorta said:

LOL -actually I knew that about him, but it was just much too fun to pass up the old saying. And I also believe it got Hoyer back on track. That's a case of a coach knowing how competitive his two guys are with one another for the betterment of the team. And I also agree that now everyone else has to spend extra time game planning for him as well as Hoyer. I think Pettine is proving to be the coach everyone here has been looking for well before I showed up as a new Browns fan.

@wudupdawg said:

We would rather watch Hoyer win than Manziel lose. Simple as that.

@atenears said:

So now we are factoring Hoyer's passing stats negated by penalty into the equation? Nice!

Maybe I left off the downs on those particular plays because I left off the down on EVERY play I listed? Doh! It was a generalization, Barney.

Generalization? Nah... dishonesty... that which does not support your point must be omitted or altered.

When you edit a simple copy & paste, it is for a reason...

When you chose to pretend that I'm altering stats, it is for a reason...

Left in the information that you omitted, and I reinserted, adds context that IMO undermines your position...

Here's the straight copy/ paste of Q3's first series... Manziel's good series...

1-10-CLE 15 (14:56) 28-T.West right tackle to CLE 24 for 9 yards (93-J.Galette; 57-D.Hawthorne). Pitch out

2-1-CLE 24 (14:32) (No Huddle) 28-T.West left guard to CLE 25 for 1 yard (57-D.Hawthorne).

1-10-CLE 25 (14:10) (No Huddle) 6-B.Hoyer pass incomplete short right to 16-A.Hawkins.

2-10-CLE 25 (14:07) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 34-I.Crowell left guard to CLE 28 for 3 yards (76-A.Hicks). #2 Manziel in @ QB

3-7-CLE 28 (13:30) (Shotgun) 6-B.Hoyer pass short left to 16-A.Hawkins to 50 for 22 yards (31-J.Byrd). PENALTY on CLE-73-J.Thomas, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at CLE 28 - No Play. #6 Hoyer back in at QB

3-17-CLE 18 (13:00) (Shotgun) 6-B.Hoyer pass incomplete short middle to 11-T.Benjamin.

4-17-CLE 18 (12:56) (Punt formation) 5-S.Lanning punts 39 yards to NO 43, Center-57-C.Yount, fair catch by 10-B.Cooks

@tour2ma said:

Oh there is no qb discussion for 2014, I'm completely in agreement. I do not want to see JM start a single game this year. I'm just saying a couple snaps a game in the appropriate situation I think is a good idea. And I don't know what video you're looking at but JM only threw one pass against the Saints on sunday and it's easy to find the video. Just watched it, don't see any wobble to it but maybe the angle isn't right. It just looks like he overthrew Agnew. One of our receivers probably makes that catch, just not our FB. Can't be asking 270lb FB's to stretch out much for passes. I'm not gonna condemn either player for that miss.

@atenears said:

mine too.

don't call me a manziel hater because he can't throw a spiral for shite.

@tour2ma said:

So now we are factoring Hoyer's passing stats negated by penalty into the equation? Nice!

Maybe I left off the downs on those particular plays because I left off the down on EVERY play I listed? Doh! It was a generalization, Barney.