@miktoxic said:

hate to say it but the ravens look like the stone-called favorites right now.

glad to see cinci exposed (even though i have their D in my fantasy league and i picked them to finish first).

Don't worry. Still plenty of time for us to make things harder for ourselves, we have a knack for that.

@bob806 said:

The Jaguars had one drive of more than 13 yards which resulted in points. They got 14 gift points in the last 7 minutes of the game, after a muffed punt, then an interception. The defense was hardly the problem.

This season so far, it looks like Denver, Dallas, & the Packers are a cut above. Seattle & the Patriots are dangerous, maybe even your Ratbirds. The difference after that is very small between all the teams, lots of parity.

Agreed.

Defense hasn't looked stellar in other games Browns have played this year either though, minus the Steelers game.

glad to see cinci exposed (even though i have their D in my fantasy league and i picked them to finish first).

Record Next 5 or 6 games

Ravens 5-2 @ Cincy, @ Pitt, TENN, @ no, SD

Bengals 3-2-1 BALT, JAX, CLE, @ no, @ hou, @ tampa

Steelers 4-3 INDY, BALT, @ nyj, @ tenn, NO

Browns 3-3 OAK, TB, @ Cincy, HOU, @ atl, @ buf

Record - down the stretch Final 4 games

Bengals 8-3-1 PIT, @ cle, DEN, @ PIT

Ravens 8-4 @ mia, JAX, @ hou, CLE

Steelers 7-5 @ cincy, @ atl, KC, CINCY

Browns 6-6 INDY, CINCY, @ car, @ bal

Final standings

Ravens 11-5

Bengals 9-6-1

Steelers 9-7

Browns 8-8

Not exactly my hope, but just predicting...

afcnorthravensfan509 said:

The Jaguars had one drive of more than 13 yards which resulted in points. They got 14 gift points in the last 7 minutes of the game, after a muffed punt, then an interception. The defense was hardly the problem.

This season so far, it looks like Denver, Dallas, & the Packers are a cut above. Seattle & the Patriots are dangerous, maybe even your Ratbirds. The difference after that is very small between all the teams, lots of parity.

@nickers said:

I hope Marvin Lewis is your coach for the next 100 years LOL

Ouch. I wonder if anyone would notice when he got senile...

@harry-taintsniffer said:

Our whole offense crapped the bed. A lot of my fellow Bengal fans are quick to blame Dalton, but, the whole offense looked terrible. The Oline was especially bad...

I realize the Bengals aren't the top team in the NFL, but I also know we have to be better than that. I think the problem is the leadership on this team is not very good. Marvin Lewis isn't a leader. He is a nice guy and can spot talent, but he isn't a good head coach.

Injuries are no excuse. That was just terrible.

And to top off the crappy weekend, the steelers won....

I hope Marvin Lewis is your coach for the next 100 years LOL

@tml1138 said:

And what the hell happened to the Bungals yesterday? I didn't see the game but it sounds like the O was worse than ours.

Our whole offense crapped the bed. A lot of my fellow Bengal fans are quick to blame Dalton, but, the whole offense looked terrible. The Oline was especially bad...

I realize the Bengals aren't the top team in the NFL, but I also know we have to be better than that. I think the problem is the leadership on this team is not very good. Marvin Lewis isn't a leader. He is a nice guy and can spot talent, but he isn't a good head coach.

Injuries are no excuse. That was just terrible.

And to top off the crappy weekend, the steelers won....

@hoorta said:

Brings a question to my mind. I haven't paid enough attention, but who currently has been covered by teams' #1 CB?

I still see 9-7 if we see good Brian Hoyer the rest of the season. If we see more bad Brian Hoyer, 6-10 at worst.

And like I said before, the defense has to figure itself out. The Jaguars putting up that many points is concerning

@clevelandmilidh said:

@tour2ma said:

Ding Ding Ding... Keyword talent... talent doesn't forget... just as size, speed and hands are not things that forget.

Timing? Sure, but how many times thru his 14 games last year did 5(?) QB changes disrupt timing?

So defenses will have to account for our most talented WR, but he merely could impact the game?

@nuckin-futz said:

afcnorthravensfan509 said:

Again, it's my perspective. Missing 2 games is different from missing 2/3 of the season. You guys do realize it was two games, not 4 right?

I'm not saying he'll be a bum. He very well could impact the games. But I'd be shocked to see him just picking up where he left off last year. Being a decoy, his speed, all true things. But averaging over 115 yards a game? 10 catches a game? I think if that's your view of what's gonna happen, you're sippin the Koolade too much. Who was throwing to him last year. If you think those numbers were good, wait until Josh hooks up with BH. Huge difference.

I definitely didn't mean though that he'll be completely ineffective. Just not this huge difference maker you're all making him out to be, at least not right away. He gets a couple games in, and you guys make it to the post season, then I could see him busting loose then.

Ofcourse if the opposing defenses are dumb and sleep on him when he comes back that's a different story.

@mudfly said:

Yeah. But no one is saying otherwise, yet you keep arguing that we are.

I just read back through the thread and not 1 person has said he was gonna blow up and instantly be the monster he was last season. Not one. We all have just said,even if he isn't 100%, he's an improvement and an instant injection of talent that WILL make a positive difference.

It was sort of an implied thing the above posters' quotes and others were sort of getting at, that Gordon was going to come back and put the Browns over the edge and make them lethal, and that Gordon wouldn't be AFFECTED by the the lengthy time out. Yes, no one was saying he was gonna be earth shattering good, but it's just my opinion that Gordon will be good for 4 catches maybe 70 yards a game and me a nice contributor...but I don't think the Brown's offense will jump leaps and bounds ahead of the competition with his return.

The most optimistic post in the whole thread predicts 600 yds in 6 games....which, IF it happens....actually makes you both right....hell, he had a run of 6 games last year that produced 950 yds.....so 600 would be quite the drop off from when he was "destroying nfl secondaries"....wouldnt it?....is producing at 65% a reasonable expectation?.. cause that's what it would be......

​That's mathematically an incorrect way of looking at it imo. I was going off of the average input. His highest recorded input over a certain time isn't reflective of his overall average input, so to say 600 yards is 65% of his average output doesn't work. My original point was as much as you want to believe it, you have no clue what'll happen. I have no clue. We're all making educating guesses here. I'm making mine based off precedent of other players and similar situations, you and others are making it more off of how talented he is and random speculation, which is your prerogative to do. You don't have to take offense to the fact that I disagree. We look at the situation differently.

And, of course, we're biased. Hello????

Just saying....your arguing about something no one has said.....reread.....and show me where "you guys" are saying otherwise.......

@downsouthkc said:

Whoa, man. At first he wasn't looked at in the same light as Mega, Dez and the like he played 14 games and was doing that all year. He's in the same caliber as those dudes and it doesn't matter how much teams 'estimate' mega, Dez, Marshall they still get their's week in and week out and when they aren't they make everyone better. Just by him stretching the field the team will be better.

The difference between this year and last is he is going to have a really good quarterback throwing to him (barring injury) instead of last year with Weeden.

You are right though that no one is underestimating the Browns by that time ... especially after these next 3 games.

Gordon hasn't become a proven commodity yet like those others. We've seen receivers, running backs, etc come out as 1-2 year wonders till the rest of the league figures out their game and finds ways to contain them. Guys like Megatron, Dez, etc find ways to beat any coverage and have done it for years. Gordon very well might be one of them, I just find it premature to label him as that with A. him only being in his 3rd year and B.) Not having played a 16 game season yet and C. Not seeing how he responds to NFL defenses trying to scheme him out of the game.

@mudfly said:

And an added factor is that Josh just might be really extra driven to make up for his suspension.....like he owes his team an extraordinary effort....and a man on a mission, with his physical skills, can be very very dangerous....

Again, pure speculation. But sometimes players who try really hard to prove themselves try too hard and their play suffers.

afcnorthravensfan509 said:

Affecting, not effecting.

Again, I'm not prideful, I could be wrong. But until I see it, I'll stand by my viewpoint. 600 yards would be a lot in six games, though I could see 4 touchdowns being feasible. I would guess somewhere more around 400 yards, maybe 30 catches.

I'm not saying he's gonna play bad, just that he's not gonna come out and torch everyone.

Come back in week 12 and we'll find out.

afcnorthravensfan509 said:

True, but people also underestimated him. This time, not only will people not be underestimating him, but no one is going to be under estimating the Browns anymore.

I guess we'll see. If I'm wrong I'll be back to eat crow.

Whoa, man. At first he wasn't looked at in the same light as Mega, Dez and the like he played 14 games and was doing that all year. He's in the same caliber as those dudes and it doesn't matter how much teams 'estimate' mega, Dez, Marshall they still get their's week in and week out and when they aren't they make everyone better. Just by him stretching the field the team will be better.

The difference between this year and last is he is going to have a really good quarterback throwing to him (barring injury) instead of last year with Weeden.

You are right though that no one is underestimating the Browns by that time ... especially after these next 3 games.

afcnorthravensfan509 said:

Yeah. But no one is saying otherwise, yet you keep arguing that we are.

I just read back through the thread and not 1 person has said he was gonna blow up and instantly be the monster he was last season. Not one. We all have just said,even if he isn't 100%, he's an improvement and an instant injection of talent that WILL make a positive difference.

The most optimistic post in the whole thread predicts 600 yds in 6 games....which, IF it happens....actually makes you both right....hell, he had a run of 6 games last year that produced 950 yds.....so 600 would be quite the drop off from when he was "destroying nfl secondaries"....wouldnt it?....is producing at 65% a reasonable expectation?.. cause that's what it would be......

And, of course, we're biased. Hello????

Just saying....your arguing about something no one has said.....reread.....and show me where "you guys" are saying otherwise.......

@hoorta said:

I'm saying Gordon's production isn't going to matter as much as his presence. You're nuts if you don't think he's automatically going to draw the other teams #1 CB. That makes guys like Austin, Hawkins, Gabriel and Cameron much more effective.

Or you think if all the Browns do is have JG run go routes or deep slants, that's not going to take guys out of the box, and make the running game much more effective?

Having a legit home run threat out there will influence how teams game plan for the Browns.

I dont recall sying his presence wouldnt be felt or that we wasn't going to have no impact at all. I originally said there isn't any guarantee that Gordon is going to come back and instantly be the major threat he was last year statistically and to what extent he destroyed nfl secondaries. Never implied he was gonnna be a bum and do nothing for the team whatsoever.

You guys on here have to realize you're a bit biased here, which is fine, it's your team, you're bound to be biased as much as I'm biased about my team's players. Everything you guys sa, most of it is based on belief, where as just an outsiders take looking in is that sitting out for long periods of time and coming in near the end of the season there isn't much precedent for that player doing very well, and it stands to say that logic is that there will be an adjustment period.

afcnorthravensfan509 said:

I'm saying Gordon's production isn't going to matter as much as his presence. You're nuts if you don't think he's automatically going to draw the other teams #1 CB. That makes guys like Austin, Hawkins, Gabriel and Cameron much more effective.

Or you think if all the Browns do is have JG run go routes or deep slants, that's not going to take guys out of the box, and make the running game much more effective?

Having a legit home run threat out there will influence how teams game plan for the Browns.