@pooipro said:

You don't know if Hoyer would accept being the backup in Cleveland. All that "starter or else" stuff was media fabrication. Sure, Hoyer based on his body of work is a marginal starter in the NFL- somewhere. I knew this was going to happen- one bad game and the boo-birds not only throw Hoyer under the bus, they follow up with a steamroller to bury him.

VesnaKociper said:

Hey guys,. MNF tomorrow, and a new opponent next week. Screw today, it was a turd, Move on!

^+ 1 Exactly, my man. Another game like that against the Raiders, then it's time to start worrying.

It was a team loss...

@osiris said:

Indeed. Even with Jax being 0-6 before this game, the defense is pretty solid there.

Any team will struggle with no run game to speak of whatsoever. Coupled with a good-but-not-great QB and WR core, and there's the results.

Despite the horrible play of our O, we were in this game until the brutal turnovers.

@pooipro said:

STFU and quit your whining. We lost one we should have won and Hoyer had a shit game. Get over it and go play some more pocket pool. We lost a pro bowl center and the O-line had to switch positions. Add to that the dropped passes, shitty D-line play and poor coaching decisions and you have a loss to an 0 - 6 team. Hoyer will be fine.

GO BROWNS !

@miktoxic said:

so it has been said so it shall be written.

BUT if you can't run the ball either because injury and inexperience in the OLine or you just have a couple of pussy RBs that don't like to get hit.

sorry, shannie's play calling can be suspect at times but he's got balls. problem is tate will go forward 3 steps and then fall10 back.

I put the run problems on the O line. The RBs did what they were supposed to do in a zone scheme by looking for cutback lanes but they just weren't getting any and on the outside runs were driven out of bounds. Jax deserves a lot of credit for how well they played the run. I won't be surprised if we see Greco back at RG next week and someone new at center.

@osiris said:

so it has been said so it shall be written.

BUT if you can't run the ball either because injury and inexperience in the OLine or you just have a couple of pussy RBs that don't like to get hit.

sorry, shannie's play calling can be suspect at times but he's got balls. problem is tate will go forward 3 steps and then fall10 back.

@soju said:

this was ALL on Brian Hoyer today, he's garbage.

@pooipro said:

I swear to god the browns especially wanna be hoyer owe me money for my time I spent watching this farce, my guess is hoyer is hurt and he will screw the fans before he admits it because he knows if johnny football takes the field hes done in Cleveland, hes not young and before the browns he was about done in the nfl and he knows it, no one drops off that much against an 0-6 team unless he is hurt in some way, hoyer wont admit it he would rather take the team and all the fans down the toilet with him, I lost respect for this fool today, hoyer the destroyer? more like hoyer the destroyer he destroys his own team.

@soju said:

this was ALL on Brian Hoyer today, he's garbage.

We lost this game because we could not run the ball. The Shanahan system requires it in order to create open receivers. We do not have the personel to make the plays when we are forced out of that system. This is a game where having Josh Gordon would've made a huge difference.

Because we couldn't run the ball, we couldn't pass, and because we couldn't sustain drives, the defense spent too much time on the field. The defense held up well enough for 3 quarters to win if our offense had managed to score or even put together a couple more reasonably long drives. This game was lost in the trenches on both sides of the ball.

@tour2ma said:

Just watched the presser, Pettine explained they wanted them to simply burn a timeout or take the delay penalty.

@topdawg31 said:

this is the fucking NFL stop the school yard bullshit

Exactly...

@topdawg31 said:

thare were two bad coaching decisions on 4th down, on the road you must take the points. And the other, why the fuck did Greco snap the ball when there wasn't even a play called according to Tate, they were just supposed to try and get them to jump.

Well... Pettine said in his presser that "we were trying to catch them in a change" and to do that the ball has to be snapped.

So there has to have been some call made to switch from "snap" to "no snap"... and Greco must have missed it.

@topdawg31 said:

Could be that Greco had his first start at center in his entire career?

@hoorta said:

thare were two bad coaching decisions on 4th down, on the road you must take the points. And the other, why the fuck did Greco snap the ball when there wasn't even a play called according to Tate, they were just supposed to try and get them to jump.

@clevfan4life said:

I'll judge Pettine after 3 years when he's had the time to put the personnel in that suit his system. These guys are half assed tbh. The front seven has been getting piped on the run since day 1 so this is what they've been working on the whole season.....and have absolutely nothing to show for it. They have not made one single ounce of progress against run defense since opening day.

Two things:

1. The entirety of the off-season talk was about how Pettine fits schemes to players.

2. If the players we have can't be productive, why have there been no trades?

@soju said:

this was ALL on Brian Hoyer today, he's garbage.

Attagirl...

@soju said:

Did you not notice the bad, BAD decision on 4th down? the muffed punt? The dropped passes on the rare occasions Hoyer's passes were on target? OK, you put Brady on the Browns today- we win easily. Too bad Tom's not on the roster.

@nickers said:

No,,, your garbage.

@soju said:

this was ALL on Brian Hoyer today, he's garbage.

No,,, your garbage.