@westside-steve said:

Maybe losing Mack has something to do with it, but certainly not all of it. There were times in the Raiders game there were three guys in the Browns backfield about a 1\2 second after Hoyer handed the ball off- that's not all on just one guy- it can't be. I'll let Tour comment, as he watches o-line play even more closely than I do, but teams have been crowding the line and stacking the box more in the last two games. That does a couple things Steve it clogs up the running lanes, and allows the CBs to jam our midget wrs at the line, throwing the timing off. Shanny better put on his thinking cap to figure out what needs fixing.

@thaak said:

Well then "someone" should. Go for it. Make the call.,

Call the police and tell them an anonymous dude jokingly threatened another anonymous dude online. Im sure they will drop everything and get to the bottom of it right away!

@thaak said:

Yeah, but threats against someone's life (joking or not) are way not appropriate. I fully feel that someone needs to call the police on that post. Seriously. That's a terroristic threat if I ever saw one.

If the police were called on everyone that ever made a threat over a message board then the police would never have time to focus on actual situations requiring attention.

@mark-o said:

Yeah, but threats against someone's life (joking or not) are way not appropriate. I fully feel that someone needs to call the police on that post. Seriously. That's a terroristic threat if I ever saw one.

Zombo said:

7-3 in games he has started, 1-12 in games he hasn't.

So... you're saying BH makes a difference?

@d-bone said:

And 1 of those douchebags is wearing a coral colored shirt with a lame ass backpack.

... but man... can that boy type or what?

@mark-o said:

Nice!

@d-bone said:

And 1 of those douchebags is wearing a coral colored shirt with a lame ass backpack.

They will be taken care of next weekend.

@miktoxic said:

And 1 of those douchebags is wearing a coral colored shirt with a lame ass backpack.

WSS

7-3 in games he has started, 1-12 in games he hasn't.

Browns have had one QB with a rating over 80 since the return, Anderson with 82.5 in 2007, Hoyer has a 91.

Sure a lot of energy going into discussions of replacing him.

Zombo

You know who else had a cannon for an arm, could make every throw while kneeling? Spergon Wynn.

Carr has a cannon, yes.. but he wasn't the best QB on the field yesterday.

@miktoxic said:

going into the 'tavern' today i liked as a physical, actual bar.

plenty of good folks there. i'd surely go back.

and then in the dark autumn moon you have a couple of assholes show up and you think to yourself "wow, really?" naw next week i'll go somewhere else. don't like young and dumb beer muscle jocks that just talk and intimidate others. and then just because i don't want the thought of me breaking an ashtray over one of these asshole's heads.

don't have the time for negativity and stats negativity and every guy negativity.

life is too short.

So hoyer sucks and you want to be anointed when the browns collapse? What is your purpose? What is your point? You just waiting by the keyboard drooling so you can say "I told you so!"

plenty of good folks there. i'd surely go back.

and then in the dark autumn moon you have a couple of assholes show up and you think to yourself "wow, really?" naw next week i'll go somewhere else. don't like young and dumb beer muscle jocks that just talk and intimidate others. and then just because i don't want the thought of me breaking an ashtray over one of these asshole's heads.

don't have the time for negativity and stats negativity and every guy negativity.

life is too short.

P.S. MORE CROW!!! CAW CAW! THROW DEM PIZZA LUNCHABLES ON DA FIELD!

@miktoxic said:

i go into a tavern i kinda know what kinda tavern it is.

not the tavern where there are bar fights and young thugs trying to prove themselves.

not into the other that is so high class they look down at people wearing a hoodie.

something in-between.

cheap drinks and cheap laughs. play some pool. let's go. bustin' balls all day long, no probs.

a little nerd psychopath wanting to borrow a cigarette and tell you you and everything that you know to be true sucks...............

i'll never kill anyone. but i'll drive them to do it themselves.

@stocktonshorts said:

What was it, over 100 yards YAC today? Kept it short.

So YAC is bad...

Teams are loading up on the run because they don't think Hoyer can beat them deep. Oakland was one of the worst pass defenses in the league, giving up a huge rating and Hoyer got a huge rating himself without having to much of anything.

And huge ratings are bad...

He had 3 passes that hit defenders in the hands and they dropped, the one before half was a Pick 6 and the guy was running without securing it. We had 9 points going into the 4th and scored the two TDs off of Raiders turnovers with a short field.

And almost INTs are bad...

Keep telling me everything is ok, but you all know its not. Just watching the game and looking at the physical abilities between the two today, you can't tell me Carr isn't the more talented QB in his 7th start then Hoyer in his 7th year. Thats were Brian Hoyer is at, and we're talking about long term contract? Please.

And physical ability is everything...

If this was against Buffalo or better we lose. We got away with it because it was Oakland and they turned the ball over. Only gives you more chance to deny deny deny reality and keep us wishing for a playoff birth that isn't coming and wasting time starting the future. Thats all thats happening here is wasting time starting our future. Not contenders, not going to make the playoffs, just twiddling our thumbs, trying our hardest to lower our draft pick and wasting time getting the future going. Like a college kid that graduates and hangs in his college town an extra year and works at a bar.

And something???

Hoyer is a Miller High Life in a Champaign League. Remember who told you first.

That would be MikeH... ever met him? You two have a lot in common... and before long will have even more in common.

Here's the thing Stocky (reminds me of the old days when I used to call MikeH, Mikey...), you have to be consistent. You can't base your anti-Hoyer crusade on stats for two-weeks, and then trash them, resorting to eye-test shit the next week. At least not if you wish to be taken seriously...

19/28 274 yds 1 TD 0 INT Rating: 112.9

See you next week... maybe...

@walterwhite said:

Mike, you have totally crossed the line and threatened to kill someone.

I don't like Stockton's takes either but you really nothing but a fucking douche bag and over opinionated loser.

You are the psychopath and who can't handle anyone else"s opinion.

Crossed out the lines I do not agree with it... but the rest was on the mark...

Over the line, mik... sorry, bud...

Edit: ... and sorry, Mods, but it is what it is.

But thanks for the Tavern patrol, MarkO... the negative energy in there was stifling. Not that I believe it made a difference, but the coincidence of a couple choice boots to a turn in the game was undeniable.

@d-bone said:

Brian is now 7-3 as the Browns' starter.

Fucking A! ^This^

Slap whatever label you want to on Hoyer, be it game manager, career backup blah blah blah...... Were winning more games than were losing and im totally fine with that at this point. Reading some of these posts makes me think that some of you guys think that the NFL is supposed to be like madden and you wont be happy until it is.

@cdl15 said:

haha awww baby boy are you upset?

@walterwhite said:

You booted me from the Tavern for promoting Manziel but no outrage over Mik threatening to kill someone.

Oh, okay. Good to see the mods aren't biased or anything.

I booted you for being a negative whiney asswipe. Consider yourself lucky that I only booted you out and didn't ban you for the rest of the game.

If you don't like it....I don't give a damn. Try complaining to the management here, see how that works out for you.