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Do juiced-up Steelers teams deserve asterisks?

by Mark Kriegel

Mark Kriegel is the national columnist for FOXSports.com. He is the author of two New York Times best sellers, Namath: A Biography and Pistol: The Life of Pete Maravich, which Sports Illustrated called "the best sports biography of the year."

Alex Rodriguez's admission of steroid use has unleashed a new round of debate in yet another fantasy game.

Where to put asterisks?

Which are the corrupted numbers?

Will Rodriguez's eventual tally for hits and home runs warrant the mark of eternal shame?

Will Barry Bonds' 762, or 73?

How about 354, Roger Clemens' career win total?

Or maybe, 6?

That's the number I propose for consideration. If it doesn't sound like a baseball number, that's because it isn't. Still, if you want baseball — a game that quantifies itself for posterity — to acknowledge its tainted records, then football should have to do the same, no?

I have recently returned from the Super Bowl, which was not merely thrilling, but as you've no doubt been assured, historic. In beating the Arizona Cardinals, the Pittsburgh Steelers became the first NFL franchise to win six Super Bowls. Such success has been attributed to great players, great coaches and — John Facenda's voice, please — to the fair and forward-thinking House of Rooney.

But what about steroids? Do the Steelers reach six without steroids?

They won four titles in the Seventies. But those teams — the offensive linemen, in particular — had a notorious, and not undeserved, reputation for abusing performance-enhancing drugs.

Let's not deign to indulge the standard excuse that steroids were legal back then. Winked at, perhaps. But legal, definitely not. The NFL didn't have a full-blown steroid policy — by which I mean one with required testing and proscribed punishments — until 1989, a full 15 years before major league baseball. But as is the case in baseball, misuse of prescription drugs was always prohibited.

As it pertained to illicit performance-enhancing drugs, the NFL of the '70s was not unlike the Major Leagues of the '90s. Juicing may have been accepted in certain precincts of certain locker rooms, but just the same, juicers had good reason to keep their business hidden for fear of stigma and sanction.

"They knew what they were doing," said Kim Wood, who from 1975 to 2001 was the strength and conditioning coach for the Steelers divisional rival, the Cincinnati Bengals. "They knew they were cheating."

In the case of the old Steelers, the anecdotal evidence is as damning as it is overwhelming. Steve Courson, a Steelers lineman from '78 to '83, issued his well-known confession in a magazine article and later, an autobiography entitled "False Glory: Steelers and Steroids." "To say that anabolic steroids didn't play a role in the Steelers' success would be a falsehood," said Courson, who developed heart problems after his retirement.

Then there's Hall of Fame center Mike Webster — dead of heart failure at 50 — who compensated for a lack of natural size by adding artificial size. The brother of linebacker Steve Furness — 49 when his heart gave out — also suspected that steroids played a role in the death. Even a running back like Rocky Bleier admitted to ESPN that steroids were part of his offseason training regimen.

A few years ago, Jim Haslett had this to say on the subject of steroids and the NFL: "It started, really, in Pittsburgh. They got an advantage on a lot of football teams. They were so much stronger (in the) '70s, late '70s, early '80s. They're the ones who kind of started it."

While Haslett's statement incurred the wrath of some in the Pittsburgh organization, the former linebacker was merely reiterating what so many in the business already thought about those Steeler teams.

"The Steelers in the '70s were one of the most influential teams on the game of football, especially the weight training part," says Wood. "It was the success of that team that had to do with the phenomenon being really, really accepted for use by football players."

Describing the spread of steroid use from high schools to the NFL, he said: "it wasn't a trickle down. It was a waterfall."

Wood qualifies as an old school moralist on the subject. "It's a drug that appeals to insecure men," he says. "The first thing you have to do is fess up to yourself, that you don't have enough of the stuff that makes a man."

Was it fair, I asked, for his team to be regularly paired against a juiced-up rival?

"How did I feel personally? I was pissed off. It put tremendous pressure on me."

He could hear the whispers, why don't our guys get gacked up like the Steelers? Fortunately, he says, he had strong support coming from the top of the organization, especially from owner Paul Brown, that insulated him from that pressure. "I refused to be an enabler for weak people," says Wood, who dismisses my asterisk theory.

There is no denying the greatness of those Pittsburgh teams, he says. What's more, it didn't begin with the offensive line. Rather, it began with the defense and players like linebacker Jack Ham, whom he calls a friend. The legacies of guys like Ham and the great defensive back Mel Blount, Wood says, should not be questioned for the misdeeds of the weaklings.

But that's not why he considers my proposed asterisk laughable. Wood knows the numbers of premature deaths among those Steeler alums. The South Florida Sun-Sentinel columnist Dave Hyde recently noted that, since 1996, 13 veterans of those championship teams died before the age 60. Of the 13, seven were heart attacks. (Courson, it's worth mentioning, died when a tree fell on him).

Performance-enhancing substances do not qualify as a cause on anyone's death certificate. I'm not qualified to make a scientific case. But I know that football players are like professional wrestlers. No one really cares — certainly not enough — that they die young. After all, we don't associate them with any records. We can't represent their careers as statistical sagas.

Still, now you wonder what fate awaits the major leagues' first generation of juicers.

"That's the real perniciousness here," says Wood. "Guys are talking about the stats being (messed) up?

"This isn't a scandal about statistics or asterisk. This is a public health scandal."

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FREAKofSTEEL08 said:

Ha Ha HA.... HILARIOUS !!!

I thought so myself.

Observational comedy is the best.

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@tobalaz said:

Whether it be a pocket full of cash to the refs or a turkey baster full of HGH or anabolic steroids up the ass of every player on the team that lead to early deaths of all their earlier players cheating happened.

The BROWNS WON their championships by being the BEST and most innovation at the time, not short cutting.

Deal with it.

Ha Ha HA.... HILARIOUS !!!

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@furnier said:

Hey Sivlerback! I'm going back to Vegas in the fall. Can you give me a heads up on how to tell which refs are on the take? I'm thinking I could make a little bank if I knew which of the striped guys was on the Rooney payroll. Your help would be appreciated.

Doug

Maybe you should ask one of the idiots on this board who come up with the rediculous conspiracy theories?

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Sivlerback DPOY said:

How is it possible for some of you people to get anymore rediculous? Where was the maturity in taking down my post that tried to put an end to this crap. Its obvious, for whatever reason, you poeple really want this thread to go on. I don't know that there is any hope for some of you people to ever come to reallity. Not that anyone already over here wants you guys over here anyways.

Hey Sivlerback! I'm going back to Vegas in the fall. Can you give me a heads up on how to tell which refs are on the take? I'm thinking I could make a little bank if I knew which of the striped guys was on the Rooney payroll. Your help would be appreciated.

Doug

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AdaM said:

I would score it more like this....

Browns championships: ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Steelers championships: * * * * ! !

You can't blame the refs for bad calls, but you can blame steroids.

Jo Jo Starbuck said the same thing after he husband wearing #12 had a bad day at the office when someone asked about her 2 black eyes and a broken nose. Nice guy! I think the coverup blamed Manic Depression. They have a way editing the Greg Lloyd and Tery Bradhsaw goodies from their press. Just out of curiosity - doesn't ANYONE ever wonder why Bradshaw wasn't very well liked by his teammates and Head Coach?

Normally where there's smoke there's usually fire. However, in Pittsburgh, where's there's smoke there's usually a whole lotta "shhhhhhh!"

I'm glad Turkey Jones was willing to hold him acountable when he trumped Lambert's late hit out of bounds on the 175 pound Brian Sipe with some power slammage of their #12.

- Tom F.

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Sivlerback DPOY said:

How is it possible for some of you people to get anymore rediculous? Where was the maturity in taking down my post that tried to put an end to this crap. Its obvious, for whatever reason, you poeple really want this thread to go on. I don't know that there is any hope for some of you people to ever come to reallity. Not that anyone already over here wants you guys over here anyways.

I'm sorry, you are correct.

Hey, I was thinking about doing a cycle. Can you hook me up?

Thanks Steeler buddy.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/56261https://brownsboard.com/post/56261Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:41:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Do juiced-up Steelers teams deserve asterisks? on Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:35:39 GMT]]>How is it possible for some of you people to get anymore rediculous? Where was the maturity in taking down my post that tried to put an end to this crap. Its obvious, for whatever reason, you poeple really want this thread to go on. I don't know that there is any hope for some of you people to ever come to reallity. Not that anyone already over here wants you guys over here anyways.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/56259https://brownsboard.com/post/56259Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:35:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Do juiced-up Steelers teams deserve asterisks? on Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:56:39 GMT]]>It's pretty cut and dry at this point.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/56227https://brownsboard.com/post/56227Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:56:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Do juiced-up Steelers teams deserve asterisks? on Sat, 28 Mar 2009 06:25:53 GMT]]>Whether it be a pocket full of cash to the refs or a turkey baster full of HGH or anabolic steroids up the ass of every player on the team that lead to early deaths of all their earlier players cheating happened.

The BROWNS WON their championships by being the BEST and most innovation at the time, not short cutting.

Deal with it.

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@pumpkin-eater said:

I wonder if the Squeelroids will ever win a championship without cheating?

lol...Hilarious , Cant believe this Total BS drags on !! Are we trying to Make it last the Whole off season ?

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@furnier said:

They'll be back. I think it's Incest Season in the hills of West Pennsylginia, so the Yinzers are otherwise occupied.

Browns Championships !!!!!!!!

Cheatroids Championships******

Doug

I would score it more like this....

Browns championships: ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Steelers championships: * * * * ! !

You can't blame the refs for bad calls, but you can blame steroids.

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Zombo said:

Well, I guess that's it. We shut the pussies up, finally.

Good work Flugs, Rif, Furns and all who made them eat their own crap.

Zombo

--The verdict is in: give 'em an asterisk.

They'll be back. I think it's Incest Season in the hills of West Pennsylginia, so the Yinzers are otherwise occupied.

Browns Championships !!!!!!!!

Cheatroids Championships******

Doug

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@fsg said:

Zombo: Hell, I don't know, but we have 8 titles and the Steelers only have 6. Lets hug each other.

we would actually hug naked and touch each other a little bit too. lumberg would be there to tell us that derek anderson is the best naked hugger ever.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/54108https://brownsboard.com/post/54108Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:29:47 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Do juiced-up Steelers teams deserve asterisks? on Fri, 20 Mar 2009 03:26:29 GMT]]>I wonder if the Squeelroids will ever win a championship without cheating?

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JosephSixpack said:

Oh Flugey -- you keep telling yourself that another 1,000 times, and maybe you'll start to believe it too!

Don't need to - False Glory is a true story. Want proof? Read Sports Illustrated's body count about 10 caskets ago. I believe that's check mate. I appreciate all the research and recruits you've brought to this subject but the facts are the facts Joey. You can keep trying though. You remind me a hamster sprinting on a hamster wheel. Lots of effort without any forward movement.

There was only 1 perfect team in the 70s and they were clean. That makes Shula's Dolphins the team of the 70s. Those guys were great!!!

- Tom F. (Zombo's kicking your buddy's ass so bad I'm almost embarassed for the guy)

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/53939https://brownsboard.com/post/53939Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:05:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Do juiced-up Steelers teams deserve asterisks? on Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:31:21 GMT]]>Did you SERIOUSLY just type all that?

Oh my god this is tooooo funny.

Keep makin' em dance Zombo.

FYI, dipshit above, You had to win your conference and if tied with another teams record you had to play a playoff game to get into the championship game.

So... talk about debunking...

You should probably learn to do a tiny bit of research before you expose yourself as a complete moron.

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Zombo said:

Oh my God, you are so stupid.

Yes, I'm sure the Bills and Chargers fans recognize their AFL championships and are proud of them as champions, as they should be. They won their league.

No the Pro Football Fame does NOT recognize the USFL or Arena or for matter the XFL, WFL or Canadian as major leagues ... JUST the NFL, AFL and the AAFC.

This information is readily available ... please get some game.

Ok, now all of your stupidty aside: DO YOU REALIZE HOW MUCH OF A FUKTARD YOU ARE ARGUING THIS SHIT ON OUR BOARD? Seriously. You just won the Super Bowl and you are spending your off-season on a Browns board defending 1970's steroid use and the merits of our football championships.

Your very presence here means ... YOU ARE OWNED.

Browns fans own Steeler fans. It is as clear as day. Your team keeps winning and you stupid fuks are only concerned with what we think.

Well, here's what we think: I'd rather be a Browns fan.

Zombo

Cleveland Fan for Life: You showed him Zombo, yeah, man, how about when the Browns beat the Yankees back in 1947.

Zombo: Don't you mean the Indians?

Cleveland Fan for Life: No man, I mean that NFL, er, I mean AAFC Powerhouse New York Yankees.

Atenears: Hey, didn't Joe Dimaggio play QB for them?

Zombo: Wait a minute, the Yankees played football too? I thought they only played baseball. Wow, I thought Bo Jackson was the only two sport Athlete.

Cleveland Fan for Life: No, no, no, man, the Yankees were the name of that football team, they had a separate baseball team.

Zombo: Well, anyway, that Title means more than a Super Bowl anyway.

Inspecta: Yeah, Zombo, you are right, lets celebrate that win! What was the score of that game?

Zombo: Hell, I don't know, but we have 8 titles and the Steelers only have 6. Lets hug each other.

Atenears: Yeah, who needs a Super Bowl anyway. And what about this new guy, who completely pointed out that an NFL Championship was played on a rotating home field--so you didn't even have to EARN it, required no playoff wins in order to qualify for and was definitely not the Same as a Super Bowl since the Colts won the NFL Championship in 1969 and the Vikings won it in 1970, but failed to win the Super Bowl.

Inspecta: That's actually something that makes sense. Mabye that is why the NFL hardly ever talks about them.

Zombo: No, no, no.....we can't acknowledge logic. Tell you what, lets talk about how much better fans we are than the Steelers fans. After all, only two franchises have left Cleveland. We have to be able to beat them at something.

Pumpkin Eater: Yeah, especially since they are so dirty.

Inspecta: Wait a minute, isn't your avatar that of a dirty hit on Terry Bradshaw of which Browns fans are so proud?

Zombo: Forget that, we do double standards when its in our favor.

See here Zombo, you cannot own me. It's not possible. At the end of the day, I support the team with the Super Bowl....I support the team with the 25 wins in 28 games against each other. I support the best NFL Franchise in terms of Super Bowls, Division Championships, AFC Championships, Post Season wins and Total Wins since the merger.

All you can do is hug each others **** and talk about how great a fan you are.

You want me to order you the Steelers Super Bowl Video in Blue Ray or regular DVD?

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@clevelandfanforlife said:

yet your pathetic ass is still on a browns message board. get a life loser

Lets see here, I am on a message board, talking **** about a rival team. That means I have to get a life. Okay.....so maybe you can show me, let's see, you are on a message board, talking **** about a rival team, oh, please do show me how to have a life you expert.

Don't worry, I won't stay here long. Either I will be banned because you won't be able to handle the fact that someone comes in here and totally debunks everything you guys are trying to convince each other about, or I will leave on my own, because beating up on the Browns/their fans/the city/the organization is old hat, its been done for the last 20 years with ease. There is nothing more to get excited about with it.

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@clevelandfanforlife said:

ok man you really need to stop digging up old posts and writing about them. nobody cares about what you think. i have barely read anything you have written. go on a steeler's board with all of the other fail weather idiots. i also figured out what your name means; Fondles and Sucks Gonads.

That's because I put down logic, fact and truth. I read this whole thing, and rolled my eyes to the stupidity of you guys, so you drew me out, its your own fault.

All your pathetic loser *** can do is say Squeelers, or Steelroids or you cheated or we are the best fans or wait till next year.

I destroy you, and everyone of your 14 page thread, and of course you don't want me here. I wouldn't if I were you either, because I will make you realize just how pathetic your franchise really is.

How have you enjoyed 25 of the last 28 head to head games by the way? What is your excuse for the season sweep next year? I mean, you've had plenty of time to practice--I am sure you can come up with a new excuse you haven't used yet.

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Zombo said:

We have 8 league championships. The AAFC, like the AFL, is recognized by the Pro Football Hall of Fame as a MAJOR professional football league.

We have 8 league championships, you have 6, you are outscored on that simple, straight-forward point.

Zombo

--The AAFC Browns won the NFL on their first try ... not only were they as good ... they were better. And they proved it.

The NFL does not recognize those Championships. Sad too, because the Browns fans are the only ones who hold minor league titles has high as you do. Ever hear the Bills or Chargers fans talk about their AFL Championships the same way? They don't. They are about winning the real prize, not living in the past in a dead league long forgotten.

Oh, btw, the Steelers have 76 championships, they won al their Rec Leagues from 1935-1967. See my point, AAFC Titles were nothing more than a minor league championship, not recognized by the NFL.

The Pro Football Hall of Fame gives credence for the USFL and Arena league championships too, are you as equally proud of those? I realize you would be, but then again, you have nothing else to grab onto.

In the meantime, enjoy the SI commercials with the Steelers Championship Package. Did you order yours yet?

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@fsg said:

The truth of the matter is by and large, the Browns have been at the bottom of the league in winning, management, class (throwing bottles on the field, batteries on the field) and talent. The only thing Cleveland can top Pittsburgh at in terms of football is that your city has 2-0 advantage, in terms of franchises LEAVING the city.

yet your pathetic ass is still on a browns message board. get a life loser

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Zombo said:

The Steelers absolutely sucked for 40 years, there is no denying it.

The Browns have sucked since Modell yanked the rug from under the city in 94.

In 94 we were a playoff team. Seven playoff seasons in the 80s. Two more in the 70's. Just about evey year in the 60's.

These Browns suck. (Even though they had the same record as Pittsburgh one year ago)

From 1946 to 1995, the Browns were an outstanding league franchise. A couple lean years in the mid 70's and early 90's ... otherwise always highly competitive.

Not the pile of crap the Steelers were from 1933-1972 or that the Browns have basically been since 99.

Zombo

--the tide will turn again ... so try and act with some class while you can.

In league in which 5-6 teams make the playoffs per season, making the playoffs does not make you a good team. You say the Steelers from 1933-1971 sucked, but there was only one post-season team per conference (save for a tie). So the basis of using playoff appearances to compare the "success" of teams of the different eras.

Since the 1964 NFL Championship Game, the Browns have managed to win a paltry 4 playoff games. If you want to fully understand that degree of sucktitude, only the Houston Texans (around only since 2002) Detroit Lions, New Orleans Saints and Kansas City Cheifs have won less. The Panthers, Jaguars and Ravens, who have less than a 15 year existance, all have more than than the Browns.

Only 7 fewer teams that have been around since the merger have fewer Division Titles than the Browns. And there were 6 of those awarded per season, now there are 8. And the Browns have the 8th worst winning percentage since the merger. Pretty much proves my point of your sucktitude.

Wow, you had the same record as us back in 2007......maybe you would have had a better record if you would have, oh, I don't know, actually beaten us.

In 1994, we swept you on a 3 game sweep in that season, same as we did your last playoff season of 2002.

The truth of the matter is by and large, the Browns have been at the bottom of the league in winning, management, class (throwing bottles on the field, batteries on the field) and talent. The only thing Cleveland can top Pittsburgh at in terms of football is that your city has 2-0 advantage, in terms of franchises LEAVING the city.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/53890https://brownsboard.com/post/53890Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:27:24 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Do juiced-up Steelers teams deserve asterisks? on Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:36:33 GMT]]>Squeelroids suck*.

*the Squeelroids have never won a league championship without cheating in one way or another. Steroids used to be their prefferred method of cheating. Now, it's paying off officials.

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