<![CDATA[Stockton Shorts Discusses Brian Hoyer]]>Which NFL QB has a Rating of 67.7 on 3rd downs and a completion % of 48.4% on 3rd downs? Both worst in the NFL of qualifying QBs.

Who is your guess? (Hint: The team he plays for is ranked 31st in the NFL in 3rd down conversion %, despite playing the worst cumulative 3rd down defenses in the NFL to date)

Winner gets some knowledge!

]]>https://brownsboard.com/topic/30747/stockton-shorts-discusses-brian-hoyerRSS for NodeThu, 01 Oct 2026 07:46:22 GMTFri, 31 Oct 2014 23:00:43 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Stockton Shorts Discusses Brian Hoyer on Wed, 19 Nov 2014 11:12:41 GMT]]>Please for the love of god... Let it go. The old thread was locked for a reason. Now this is just a spin off of it.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/450789https://brownsboard.com/post/450789Wed, 19 Nov 2014 11:12:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Stockton Shorts Discusses Brian Hoyer on Wed, 19 Nov 2014 09:05:54 GMT]]>yeah Stockton I'm getting pretty tired of this Hoyer shit. We all knew he wasn't Tom Brady or Peyton Manning...but he's not horribly far off. He's got the best football brain of ANY qb we've had here in Cleveland since the Browns came back and probably even prior. Cause he learned from Belichick and Brady. We need a guy like that here...if he doesn't have the absolute best arm or the quickest wheels...so what. The team has been scoring more points this season than I would have ever dared to dream during the offseason. And most of that has to do with Hoyer and his ability to operate under Shanny's scheme. There's obviously been a few plays left out there that Manziel could have made...but the vast majority of the season Manziel would have hurt us back there more than he helped. It's time to talk about something else, seriously. If we lose a couple more games here you'll get your wish...they'll wanna see where Manziels at.

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@bbedward said:

Just merge this into the closed thread and re-close it 😛

Hoyer has 6, or more, games left to prove himself that's the bottom line. Sundays game is huge for him and the rest of the team.

It's fine that Stockton and others are anti-Hoyer it's a fair opinion. The problem is really the inability to talk about anything else. Stockton thinks making the playoffs with Hoyer will set us back 10 years which makes it pointless to argue with the guy.

Let us enjoy the season while Stockton can sit on his pedestal and dread every time we win.

The other weirdos are the Aggie fans who come on and say they're suddenly browns fans. Whats the deal with them?

I am an Aggie fan who is now a Browns fan. I have never really had any rooting interest in the NFL so when Johnny got drafted I became a Browns fan. Obviously I want Johnny to play but as long as Johnny is on the team I will root for the team to have success, even with Hoyer as the QB.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/450783https://brownsboard.com/post/450783Wed, 19 Nov 2014 07:34:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Stockton Shorts Discusses Brian Hoyer on Wed, 19 Nov 2014 07:24:51 GMT]]>Throw the stats Out the window! The only stats that matter is the win-loss column

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/450782https://brownsboard.com/post/450782Wed, 19 Nov 2014 07:24:51 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Stockton Shorts Discusses Brian Hoyer on Wed, 19 Nov 2014 06:15:36 GMT]]>Sorry Stockton, but you were getting uppity and you walked into that one.

You may not believe it, but l may be one of your biggest fans here. You have a deeply analytical mind and despite what others say, you find a way to say the same thing over and over again with new descriptions and sometimes interesting analogies.

And you claim to be a diehard Browns fan, which is 90% of belonging here.

BUT FOR THE LOVE Of GOD, PLEASE DISCUSS OTHER PLAYERS BESIDES BRIAN HOYER.

Seriously. I wanna see what someone like you would say about a 3-4 vs. a 4-3 defense, or how good you think our placekicker is.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/450778https://brownsboard.com/post/450778Wed, 19 Nov 2014 06:15:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Stockton Shorts Discusses Brian Hoyer on Wed, 19 Nov 2014 06:10:39 GMT]]>http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/pete-prisco/24817087/monday-musings-rodgers-packers-look-frightfully-good-falcons-on-rise

• Are the Browns back to being who we thought they were? In the past five games, they have lost to the Jaguars and then Sunday to the Texans. Two of their three victories in the past five weeks are over Tampa Bay and Oakland, not exactly good teams. I think the Browns have issues on defense that are starting to show up in a big way, most notably that lack of a run defense. And Brian Hoyer isn't good enough to carry an offense. I know there are a lot of people out there who think Hoyer should get a big-money deal, or the franchise tag, but that's absurd. He's a journeyman at best, and they have Johnny Manziel waiting to play.

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@d-bone said:

No, he has a NAMBLA card

North American Marlon Brando Look Alikes?

Ohhhhh you mean that pedo one. His yearning for Johnny makes alot more sense now.

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@d-bone said:

No, he has a NAMBLA card

just looked up what NAMBLA was.... wow. i'd love to meet those people

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@winstonlegthigh said:

Hold the fuck up, this dumb mother fucker has a Mensa card?

No, he has a NAMBLA card

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/450773https://brownsboard.com/post/450773Wed, 19 Nov 2014 05:06:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Stockton Shorts Discusses Brian Hoyer on Wed, 19 Nov 2014 05:05:27 GMT]]>Just merge this into the closed thread and re-close it 😛

Hoyer has 6, or more, games left to prove himself that's the bottom line. Sundays game is huge for him and the rest of the team.

It's fine that Stockton and others are anti-Hoyer it's a fair opinion. The problem is really the inability to talk about anything else. Stockton thinks making the playoffs with Hoyer will set us back 10 years which makes it pointless to argue with the guy.

Let us enjoy the season while Stockton can sit on his pedestal and dread every time we win.

The other weirdos are the Aggie fans who come on and say they're suddenly browns fans. Whats the deal with them?

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@winstonlegthigh said:

Hold the fuck up, this dumb mother fucker has a Mensa card?

it means absolutely nothing. most autistic people are phenomenal with concrete problem solving, but are the most absolute Retarded people with real world thinking.

and you have to be the most insecure loser in the world to actually pursue getting one of those things

and on top of that to actually bring it up to people on a random online message board. speaks volumes of what we're dealing with

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/450770https://brownsboard.com/post/450770Wed, 19 Nov 2014 04:54:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Stockton Shorts Discusses Brian Hoyer on Wed, 19 Nov 2014 04:46:40 GMT]]>Hold the fuck up, this dumb mother fucker has a Mensa card?

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@stocktonshorts said:

Well the fact that you have to scour the internet to find ONE measure that puts Hoyer in the top 3rd (when you include all QBs who have 100 passes as 13th isn't Top 3rd in current starting QBs) and even then you have to lie and say he's 8th while switching his name with Romo to make it look better and ignoring the main statistic highlighted in green on that page that puts Hoyer at 25th.....is pretty much my point.

Thats how not good Hoyer is and how far you have to reach to try and argue against it.

You're talking to 2 different people here man. I'm just the guy pointing out what you pointed out in the first place. Gonna revoke that Mensa membership if you don't get your shit together.]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/450766https://brownsboard.com/post/450766Wed, 19 Nov 2014 04:38:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Stockton Shorts Discusses Brian Hoyer on Wed, 19 Nov 2014 04:38:18 GMT]]>

@stocktonshorts said:

Well the fact that you have to scour the internet to find ONE measure that puts Hoyer in the top 3rd (when you include all QBs who have 100 passes as 13th isn't Top 3rd in current starting QBs) and even then you have to lie and say he's 8th while switching his name with Romo to make it look better and ignoring the main statistic highlighted in green on that page that puts Hoyer at 25th.....is pretty much my point.

Thats how not good Hoyer is and how far you have to reach to try and argue against it.

i reached absolutely nowhere. (btw, like i said it got all f'd up on my phone and i tried to manually shuffle it back into place, either way who cares) you were posting pointless stats and i did one quick 5 second google search for advanced, adjusted stats for a QB. brian hoyer has the intangibles and makeup of a good to maybe great quarterback.. stats are literally the enemy of sports because of all the autistic black and white Retards in this world. if you're so into stats, his stats will start to show as the offense rounds out into an actual offense capable of winning football games. stats for a quarterback do not stay consistent with different environments. example, matt cassel in new england and matt cassel elsewhere... matt flynn in green bay and matt flynn elsewhere. next year brian hoyer is going to light it up in your precious stat sheet

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/450765https://brownsboard.com/post/450765Wed, 19 Nov 2014 04:38:18 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Stockton Shorts Discusses Brian Hoyer on Wed, 19 Nov 2014 04:29:48 GMT]]>

@ibleedbrown said:

There's 40 players on that list, so even 13 is in the upper 3rd.

What is your point here again?

I'm kidding! Please don't rehash your point.

Well the fact that you have to scour the internet to find ONE measure that puts Hoyer in the top 3rd (when you include all QBs who have 100 passes as 13th isn't Top 3rd in current starting QBs) and even then you have to lie and say he's 8th while switching his name with Romo to make it look better and ignoring the main statistic highlighted in green on that page that puts Hoyer at 25th.....is pretty much my point.

Thats how not good Hoyer is and how far you have to reach to try and argue against it.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/450764https://brownsboard.com/post/450764Wed, 19 Nov 2014 04:29:48 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Stockton Shorts Discusses Brian Hoyer on Wed, 19 Nov 2014 04:27:17 GMT]]>

@ibleedbrown said:

There's 40 players on that list, so even 13 is in the upper 3rd.

What is your point here again?

I'm kidding! Please don't rehash your point.

will most definitely rise after 6 games with gordon back. i predict top 6-7 next season

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/450763https://brownsboard.com/post/450763Wed, 19 Nov 2014 04:27:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Stockton Shorts Discusses Brian Hoyer on Wed, 19 Nov 2014 04:25:29 GMT]]>There's 40 players on that list, so even 13 is in the upper 3rd.

What is your point here again?

I'm kidding! Please don't rehash your point.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/450762https://brownsboard.com/post/450762Wed, 19 Nov 2014 04:25:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Stockton Shorts Discusses Brian Hoyer on Wed, 19 Nov 2014 04:24:49 GMT]]>there it is re copy and pasted on my laptop ^ no manual configurations. still looks f'ed up tho

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/450761https://brownsboard.com/post/450761Wed, 19 Nov 2014 04:24:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Stockton Shorts Discusses Brian Hoyer on Wed, 19 Nov 2014 04:24:05 GMT]]>PASSING: Minimum 100 passes, 40 players ranked Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA QBR Rk Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C% DPI P.Manning DEN 1,004 1 1,063 1 25.9% 2 28.1% 80.0 3 418 3,196 3,549 30 2 0 9 67.6% 7/112 A.Rodgers GB 973 2 975 2 33.0% 1 33.1% 85.9 1 336 2,576 3,100 28 4 1 3 67.2% 5/166 A.Luck IND 965 3 866 3 20.9% 6 17.7% 73.1 7 449 3,312 3,735 28 3 1 10 63.6% 5/104 T.Brady NE 862 4 786 5 22.5% 3 19.5% 75.9 5 377 2,549 3,241 24 1 3 5 64.5% 10/165 B.Roethlisberger PIT 860 5 792 4 19.3% 8 16.8% 71.7 8 439 3,099 3,454 24 2 3 6 69.5% 6/122 D.Brees NO 824 6 777 6 17.9% 9 16.2% 73.5 6 427 2,978 3,410 19 2 2 10 70.2% 6/128 P.Rivers SD 725 7 673 7 22.4% 4 20.1% 80.5 2 349 2,445 2,725 21 4 1 7 67.1% 5/84 T.Romo DAL 591 8 565 8 19.7% 7 18.4% 78.9 4 288 2,057 2,346 18 2 1 6 69.2% 4/81 M.Ryan ATL 515 9 560 9 9.3% 11 11.1% 65.1 10 396 2,648 2,728 17 2 1 7 66.2% 3/42 A.Smith KC 460 10 374 12 11.0% 10 6.9% 57.0 19 317 1,880 2,297 12 0 1 4 66.4% 0/0 J.Flacco BAL 448 11 506 10 7.6% 12 10.0% 63.7 14 361 2,405 2,540 17 1 0 8 63.3% 9/189 J.Cutler CHI 368 12 265 15 3.1% 16 -0.9% 59.0 18 399 2,519 2,583 21 2 5 11 67.0% 6/128 B.Hoyer CLE 355 13 445 11 5.9% 13 10.2% 51.2 25 341 2,442 2,161 11 1 1 5 55.8% 3/32 R.Tannehill MIA 336 14 321 14 2.3% 17 1.7% 54.8 24 377 2,179 2,465 17 1 0 7 65.8% 3/48 Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA QBR Rk Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C% DPI N.Foles PHI 257 15 223 16 1.5% 18 -0.1% 62.2 15 320 2,099 1,988 13 1 2 10 60.1% 4/113 D.Stanton ARI 253 16 151 21 21.1% 5 8.1% 68.3 9 130 886 977 5 0 0 2 53.6% 2/37 C.Palmer ARI 232 17 366 13 5.0% 14 14.4% 64.8 11 233 1,566 1,473 11 0 1 3 62.9% 4/86 K.Cousins WAS 225 18 173 19 4.8% 15 1.1% 46.9 28 212 1,625 1,434 10 0 2 9 62.1% 3/42 M.Stafford DET 224 19 219 18 -1.9% 19 -2.1% 56.9 20 397 2,493 2,235 13 2 1 9 61.9% 4/48 A.Dalton CIN 155 20 172 20 -3.4% 21 -2.5% 56.0 21 315 2,117 1,824 11 0 1 9 61.7% 5/55 C.Kaepernick SF 155 21 222 17 -4.2% 23 -1.2% 54.9 23 351 2,140 2,013 14 1 2 5 61.0% 4/86 K.Orton BUF 127 22 58 26 -3.0% 20 -7.4% 38.7 34 247 1,454 1,431 10 0 2 3 64.9% 0/0 M.Glennon TB 96 23 113 24 -3.9% 22 -2.6% 56.0 22 219 1,318 1,195 10 2 0 6 57.9% 2/19 R.Fitzpatrick HOU 88 24 133 22 -6.1% 24 -3.6% 45.3 29 275 1,867 1,546 11 3 1 8 62.1% 5/53 E.Manning NYG 50 25 68 25 -9.2% 26 -8.5% 64.0 13 385 2,363 2,126 18 3 2 11 61.4% 8/125 R.Wilson SEA 32 26 126 23 -9.5% 27 -4.6% 60.5 17 312 1,901 1,593 13 4 0 5 62.5% 1/36 C.Whitehurst TEN 18 27 40 27 -8.3% 25 -4.9% 48.6 27 107 707 542 5 1 0 2 60.8% 0/0 M.Sanchez PHI -2 28 -11 28 -11.4% 28 -12.7% 45.1 30 113 786 582 6 2 2 4 59.8% 0/0 Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA QBR Rk Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C% DPI A.Davis STL -6 29 -65 32 -11.4% 29 -14.3% 37.6 35 312 1,819 1,616 12 2 3 9 63.8% 2/40 J.Locker TEN -25 30 -39 29 -14.4% 30 -16.2% 60.7 16 122 728 584 4 1 0 4 58.0% 1/29 Z.Mettenberger TEN -44 31 -68 33 -17.9% 32 -21.7% 40.5 33 104 710 458 5 0 1 4 61.9% 0/0 EJ Manuel BUF -73 32 -63 31 -19.4% 33 -18.2% 19.8 40 136 785 615 5 1 0 3 58.9% 0/0 D.Carr OAK -146 33 -203 37 -17.2% 31 -19.5% 40.9 32 378 1,993 1,744 13 3 1 9 61.0% 4/84 M.Vick NYJ -158 34 -154 34 -32.2% 36 -31.7% 33.7 37 114 448 392 3 1 1 1 57.6% 1/32 R.Griffin WAS -180 35 -159 35 -35.3% 40 -32.5% 34.2 36 116 649 359 2 1 0 3 72.7% 0/0 J.McCown TB -202 36 -56 30 -34.2% 38 -17.5% 64.5 12 142 949 423 6 2 0 6 64.9% 0/0 C.Newton CAR -252 37 -193 36 -22.1% 34 -19.5% 48.9 26 365 2,132 1,512 12 2 4 9 58.7% 4/51 G.Smith NYJ -300 38 -288 39 -30.3% 35 -29.6% 27.6 38 248 1,257 853 7 2 1 10 56.7% 0/0 T.Bridgewater MIN -365 39 -260 38 -35.3% 39 -28.3% 40.9 31 244 1,347 719 4 1 0 6 61.2% 1/7 B.Bortles JAC -406 40 -419 40 -32.4% 37 -33.1% 25.6 39 301 1,777 984 8 2 0 14 63.5% 5/54

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@stocktonshorts said:

Right. You everything else was in order, just magically Hoyers name got moved up 5 spots and his QBR got moved up 21 spots because of your phone......

What a happy coincidence for you.

Good thing I was able to straighten it out huh?

the stuff had breaks in it and i tried to fix it and put it back together and got frustrated and i dont really know how to explain it. it looks bad i guess lol

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@upper-lip said:

yup thats it. dont know what happened. operating this stuff on my phone got all fucked up.

Right. You everything else was in order, just magically Hoyers name got moved up 5 spots and his QBR got moved up 21 spots because of your phone......

What a happy coincidence for you.

Good thing I was able to straighten it out huh?

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@stocktonshorts said:

Umm if you have to lie then just forget it.

You clearly posted the Football Outsiders DYAR statistic, where Hoyer is 13th. You literally switched Hoyer and Romos Names. It does note Hoyers QBR is 25th in the league.

You can find that exact, correct, chart here....

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb

yup thats it. dont know what happened. operating this stuff on my phone got all fucked up.

and i'll take 13 especially after sunday's game. should be alot higher by end of season with gordon back

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@upper-lip said:

well if we're going to be dumb and look at stats instead of a player's intangibles let's take a look at the advanced stats rankings

Quarterbacks are ranked according to DYAR, or Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement. This gives the value of the quarterback 's performance compared to replacement level, adjusted for situation and opponent and then translated into yardage. DYAR (and its cousin, YAR, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.

The other statistic given is DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. This number represents value, per play, over an average quarterback in the same game situations. The more positive the DVOA rating, the better the player's performance. Negative DVOA represents below-average offense. DVOA (and its cousin, VOA, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.

PASSING: Minimum 100 passes, 40 players ranked Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA QBR Rk Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C% DPI P.Manning DEN 1,004 1 1,063 1 25.9% 2 28.1% 80.0 3 418 3,196 3,549 30 2 0 9 67.6% 7/112 A.Rodgers GB 973 2 975 2 33.0% 1 33.1% 85.9 1 336 2,576 3,100 28 4 1 3 67.2% 5/166 A.Luck IND 965 3 866 3 20.9% 6 17.7% 73.1 7 449 3,312 3,735 28 3 1 10 63.6% 5/104 T.Brady NE 862 4 786 5 22.5% 3 19.5% 75.9 5 377 2,549 3,241 24 1 3 5 64.5% 10/165 B.Roethlisberger PIT 860 5 792 4 19.3% 8 16.8% 71.7 8 439 3,099 3,454 24 2 3 6 69.5% 6/122 D.Brees NO 824 6 777 6 17.9% 9 16.2% 73.5 6 427 2,978 3,410 19 2 2 10 70.2% 6/128 P.Rivers SD 725 7 673 7 22.4% 4 20.1% 80.5 2 349 2,445 2,725 21 4 1 7 67.1% 5/84 B.Hoyer CLE 591 8 565 8 19.7% 7 18.4% 78.9 4 288 2,057 2,346 18 2 1 6 69.2% 4/81 M.Ryan ATL 515 9 560 9 9.3% 11 11.1% 65.1 10 396 2,648 2,728 17 2 1 7 66.2% 3/42 A.Smith KC 460 10 374 12 11.0% 10 6.9% 57.0 19 317 1,880 2,297 12 0 1 4 66.4% 0/0 J.Flacco BAL 448 11 506 10 7.6% 12 10.0% 63.7 14 361 2,405 2,540 17 1 0 8 63.3% 9/189 J.Cutler CHI 368 12 265 15 3.1% 16 -0.9% 59.0 18 399 2,519 2,583 21 2 5 11 67.0% 6/128 T.Romo DAL 355 13 445 11 5.9% 13 10.2% 51.2 25 341 2,442 2,161 11 1 1 5 55.8% 3/32 R.Tannehill MIA 336 14 321 14 2.3% 17 1.7% 54.8 24 377 2,179 2,465 17 1 0 7 65.8% 3/48 Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA QBR Rk Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C% DPI N.Foles PHI 257 15 223 16 1.5% 18 -0.1% 62.2 15 320 2,099 1,988 13 1 2 10 60.1% 4/113 D.Stanton ARI 253 16 151 21 21.1% 5 8.1% 68.3 9 130 886 977 5 0 0 2 53.6% 2/37 C.Palmer ARI 232 17 366 13 5.0% 14 14.4% 64.8 11 233 1,566 1,473 11 0 1 3 62.9% 4/86 K.Cousins WAS 225 18 173 19 4.8% 15 1.1% 46.9 28 212 1,625 1,434 10 0 2 9 62.1% 3/42 M.Stafford DET 224 19 219 18 -1.9% 19 -2.1% 56.9 20 397 2,493 2,235 13 2 1 9 61.9% 4/48 A.Dalton CIN 155 20 172 20 -3.4% 21 -2.5% 56.0 21 315 2,117 1,824 11 0 1 9 61.7% 5/55 C.Kaepernick SF 155 21 222 17 -4.2% 23 -1.2% 54.9 23 351 2,140 2,013 14 1 2 5 61.0% 4/86 K.Orton BUF 127 22 58 26 -3.0% 20 -7.4% 38.7 34 247 1,454 1,431 10 0 2 3 64.9% 0/0 M.Glennon TB 96 23 113 24 -3.9% 22 -2.6% 56.0 22 219 1,318 1,195 10 2 0 6 57.9% 2/19 R.Fitzpatrick HOU 88 24 133 22 -6.1% 24 -3.6% 45.3 29 275 1,867 1,546 11 3 1 8 62.1% 5/53 E.Manning NYG 50 25 68 25 -9.2% 26 -8.5% 64.0 13 385 2,363 2,126 18 3 2 11 61.4% 8/125 R.Wilson SEA 32 26 126 23 -9.5% 27 -4.6% 60.5 17 312 1,901 1,593 13 4 0 5 62.5% 1/36 C.Whitehurst TEN 18 27 40 27 -8.3% 25 -4.9% 48.6 27 107 707 542 5 1 0 2 60.8% 0/0 M.Sanchez PHI -2 28 -11 28 -11.4% 28 -12.7% 45.1 30 113 786 582 6 2 2 4 59.8% 0/0 Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA QBR Rk Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C% DPI A.Davis STL -6 29 -65 32 -11.4% 29 -14.3% 37.6 35 312 1,819 1,616 12 2 3 9 63.8% 2/40 J.Locker TEN -25 30 -39 29 -14.4% 30 -16.2% 60.7 16 122 728 584 4 1 0 4 58.0% 1/29 Z.Mettenberger TEN -44 31 -68 33 -17.9% 32 -21.7% 40.5 33 104 710 458 5 0 1 4 61.9% 0/0 EJ Manuel BUF -73 32 -63 31 -19.4% 33 -18.2% 19.8 40 136 785 615 5 1 0 3 58.9% 0/0 D.Carr OAK -146 33 -203 37 -17.2% 31 -19.5% 40.9 32 378 1,993 1,744 13 3 1 9 61.0% 4/84 M.Vick NYJ -158 34 -154 34 -32.2% 36 -31.7% 33.7 37 114 448 392 3 1 1 1 57.6% 1/32 R.Griffin WAS -180 35 -159 35 -35.3% 40 -32.5% 34.2 36 116 649 359 2 1 0 3 72.7% 0/0 J.McCown TB -202 36 -56 30 -34.2% 38 -17.5% 64.5 12 142 949 423 6 2 0 6 64.9% 0/0 C.Newton CAR -252 37 -193 36 -22.1% 34 -19.5% 48.9 26 365 2,132 1,512 12 2 4 9 58.7% 4/51 G.Smith NYJ -300 38 -288 39 -30.3% 35 -29.6% 27.6 38 248 1,257 853 7 2 1 10 56.7% 0/0 T.Bridgewater MIN -365 39 -260 38 -35.3% 39 -28.3% 40.9 31 244 1,347 719 4 1 0 6 61.2% 1/7 B.Bortles JAC -406 40 -419 40 -32.4% 37 -33.1% 25.6 39 301 1,777 984 8 2 0 14 63.5% 5/54

back to reality... brian hoyer has all the intangibles and make up of a good - maybe great - quarterback. if you want to ignore that and look at stats out of context thats fine for you, your choice. let's see what hoyer does with mack and gordon next season

@upper-lip said:

jist of it: advanced stats say brian hoyer is the 8th best quarterback in the league... that graph turned out icky

Umm if you have to lie then just forget it.

You clearly posted the Football Outsiders DYAR statistic, where Hoyer is 13th. You literally switched Hoyer and Romos Names. It does note Hoyers QBR is 25th in the league.

You can find that exact, correct, chart here....

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb

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@stocktonshorts said:

Clarity.

Amazing post.

Brian Hoyer won't be the starting QB of the Cleveland Browns next year so you won't get a chance to see him with Mack and Gordon.

hahahahahahaahaha whose going to be the QB of the browns than?

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