First Rounders vs Rest of the World

Reply to First Rounders vs Rest of the World on Mon, 10 Nov 2014 17:28:57 GMT

The Gipper — Mon, 10 Nov 2014 17:28:57 GMT

I guess I don't remember much about Johnny Cooks playing for the Browns....but I'll check:

OK, according to this, Johnny Cooks played in exactly 2 games with the Browns in 1991, and didn't record a single tackle.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CookJo20.htm

Reply to First Rounders vs Rest of the World on Mon, 10 Nov 2014 16:21:13 GMT

Manzier — Mon, 10 Nov 2014 16:21:13 GMT

@the-gipper said:

@manzier said:

Nice list. Enjoyed it. Some truly monster players there.

And, as we also know, a lot of high picks wouldn't make that list. Haha. Putting it lightly.

So Ill add my list of players, but all were top 2 picks. And not top 2 rounds. These are top 2 overall. So, every player on my list MUST have been a "sure shot" "slam dunk" "cant miss" kind of player. I remember many of these guys being touted as the best everrrrrrrr to come out. Hahahaha

There were a few positions(TE, CB & S) that have never been selected #1 or #2. So, I picked the highest I could find. Here we gooooo:

Name - overall pick # - # of pro bowls:

QB:

Jamarcus Russell - #1 - 0

Ryan Leaf - #2 - 0

RB:

KiJana Carter - #1 - 0

Blair Thomas - #2 - 0

WR:

Charles Rogers - #2 - 0

Johnny Jones - #2 - 0

Larry Elkins - #1 - 0

TE:

Eric Ebron - #9

OT:

Tony Mandarich - #2 - 0

Robert Gallery - #2 - 0

OG:

D. Steinkuhler - #2 - 0

Leonard Davis - #2 - 0

Bob Johnson - #2 - 0

DE:

Courtney Brown - #1 - 0

Chris Long - #2 - 0

DT:

Dan Wilkinson - #1 - 0

Steve Emtman - #1 - 0

MLB:

Tom Cousineau - #1 - 0

Johnny Cooks - #2 - 0

OLB:

Aundrey Bruce - #1 - 0

Quentin Coryat - #2 - 0

SS/FS:

Michael Huff - #7 - 0

Stanley Richard - #9 - 0

CB:

Morris Claiborne - #6 - 0

Pacman Jones - #6 - 0

Extra fun trivia////At least 3 of these players were picked or traded for by the Browns.

(Cousineau/Courtney Brown are the only two on your list that played for the Browns...I don't see any others. Or did you leave out #1 Tim Couch?) No. You are correct, as I used the wrong wording. Johnnie Cooks also played for the Browns, BUT was not traded for or picked in the draft.

One of them(who?) we acquired with a draft pick that was later used to select what HOF quarterback?

Jim Kelly with the pick traded for Cousineau) Correct.

Reply to First Rounders vs Rest of the World on Wed, 05 Nov 2014 21:17:00 GMT

gftChris — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 21:17:00 GMT

@the-gipper said:

Another big thing - I struggled to find elite O-linemen outside the first round.

How far back do you want to go?

All the players are currently active (I believe). I'm sure you can make an all-time non-first round team, but the point was to compare the depth of talent available in any given draft, so it's time dependent. All-time, you can probably come up with two teams that are inseparable.

Reply to First Rounders vs Rest of the World on Wed, 05 Nov 2014 19:46:40 GMT

The Gipper — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 19:46:40 GMT

Another big thing - I struggled to find elite O-linemen outside the first round.

How far back do you want to go? These alone were 5th rounders or lower

Gene Hickerson 7th round

Dan Fortmann 9th round

Jim Ringo 7th round

Mike Webster 5th round

All HOF. rounds 2-4:

Stan Jones

Mike MacCormack

Bob St. Clair

Art Shell

Jackie Slater

Russ Grimm

Forrest Gregg

Billy Shaw

Dan Dierdorf

Dwight Stephenson

Dermonti Dawson

Larry Allen

Reply to First Rounders vs Rest of the World on Wed, 05 Nov 2014 19:37:04 GMT

The Gipper — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 19:37:04 GMT

@manzier said:

Nice list. Enjoyed it. Some truly monster players there.

And, as we also know, a lot of high picks wouldn't make that list. Haha. Putting it lightly.

So Ill add my list of players, but all were top 2 picks. And not top 2 rounds. These are top 2 overall. So, every player on my list MUST have been a "sure shot" "slam dunk" "cant miss" kind of player. I remember many of these guys being touted as the best everrrrrrrr to come out. Hahahaha

There were a few positions(TE, CB & S) that have never been selected #1 or #2. So, I picked the highest I could find. Here we gooooo:

Name - overall pick # - # of pro bowls:

QB:

Jamarcus Russell - #1 - 0

Ryan Leaf - #2 - 0

RB:

KiJana Carter - #1 - 0

Blair Thomas - #2 - 0

WR:

Charles Rogers - #2 - 0

Johnny Jones - #2 - 0

Larry Elkins - #1 - 0

TE:

Eric Ebron - #9

OT:

Tony Mandarich - #2 - 0

Robert Gallery - #2 - 0

OG:

D. Steinkuhler - #2 - 0

Leonard Davis - #2 - 0

Bob Johnson - #2 - 0

DE:

Courtney Brown - #1 - 0

Chris Long - #2 - 0

DT:

Dan Wilkinson - #1 - 0

Steve Emtman - #1 - 0

MLB:

Tom Cousineau - #1 - 0

Johnny Cooks - #2 - 0

OLB:

Aundrey Bruce - #1 - 0

Quentin Coryat - #2 - 0

SS/FS:

Michael Huff - #7 - 0

Stanley Richard - #9 - 0

CB:

Morris Claiborne - #6 - 0

Pacman Jones - #6 - 0

Extra fun trivia////At least 3 of these players were picked or traded for by the Browns.

(Cousineau/Courtney Brown are the only two on your list that played for the Browns...I don't see any others. Or did you leave out #1 Tim Couch?)

One of them(who?) we acquired with a draft pick that was later used to select what HOF quarterback?

Jim Kelly with the pick traded for Cousineau)

Reply to First Rounders vs Rest of the World on Wed, 05 Nov 2014 16:58:03 GMT

Manzier — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 16:58:03 GMT

@miktoxic said:

i think clowney is headed for this list. glass legs.

me too.

Looks like "Tony Mandarich - part II"

Reply to First Rounders vs Rest of the World on Wed, 05 Nov 2014 07:42:38 GMT

gftChris — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 07:42:38 GMT

@tour2ma said:

First thing that jumped out at me... not that the lower round guys are slouches, but...

Also to some extent ditto for the D-line...

My general football knowledge isn't good enough to know all the top class linemen and where they were drafted so I had to lean on things like pre-season top 10 lists, and the mid-season all-pros.

Reply to First Rounders vs Rest of the World on Wed, 05 Nov 2014 06:24:12 GMT

Tour2ma — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 06:24:12 GMT

@gftchris said:
Another big thing - I struggled to find elite O-linemen outside the first round.

First thing that jumped out at me... not that the lower round guys are slouches, but...

Also to some extent ditto for the D-line...

Reply to First Rounders vs Rest of the World on Wed, 05 Nov 2014 04:34:13 GMT

TXDawg — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 04:34:13 GMT

Craig Morton

Drafted by the Dallas Cowboys in the 1st round (5th overall) of the 1965 NFL Draft.

Drafted by the Oakland Raiders in the 10th round (75th overall) of the 1965 AFL Draft.

I imagine this happened often...

also interesting...

The Falcons drafted Favre 33rd overall (2nd round) but then Green Bay traded a first-round pick for Favre after the 1991 season.

so a first round pick was investing in Favre. you could lawyer that one.

Reply to First Rounders vs Rest of the World on Wed, 05 Nov 2014 03:30:10 GMT

miktoxic — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 03:30:10 GMT

@manzier said:

Nice list. Enjoyed it. Some truly monster players there.

And, as we also know, a lot of high picks wouldn't make that list. Haha. Putting it lightly.

So Ill add my list of players, but all were top 2 picks. And not top 2 rounds. These are top 2 overall. So, every player on my list MUST have been a "sure shot" "slam dunk" "cant miss" kind of player. I remember many of these guys being touted as the best everrrrrrrr to come out. Hahahaha

There were a few positions(TE, CB & S) that have never been selected #1 or #2. So, I picked the highest I could find. Here we gooooo:

Name - overall pick # - # of pro bowls:

QB:

Jamarcus Russell - #1 - 0

Ryan Leaf - #2 - 0

RB:

KiJana Carter - #1 - 0

Blair Thomas - #2 - 0

WR:

Charles Rogers - #2 - 0

Johnny Jones - #2 - 0

Larry Elkins - #1 - 0

TE:

Eric Ebron - #9

OT:

Tony Mandarich - #2 - 0

Robert Gallery - #2 - 0

OG:

D. Steinkuhler - #2 - 0

Leonard Davis - #2 - 0

Bob Johnson - #2 - 0

DE:

Courtney Brown - #1 - 0

Chris Long - #2 - 0

DT:

Dan Wilkinson - #1 - 0

Steve Emtman - #1 - 0

MLB:

Tom Cousineau - #1 - 0

Johnny Cooks - #2 - 0

OLB:

Aundrey Bruce - #1 - 0

Quentin Coryat - #2 - 0

SS/FS:

Michael Huff - #7 - 0

Stanley Richard - #9 - 0

CB:

Morris Claiborne - #6 - 0

Pacman Jones - #6 - 0

Extra fun trivia////At least 3 of these players were picked or traded for by the Browns. One of them(who?) we acquired with a draft pick that was later used to select what HOF quarterback?

i think clowney is headed for this list. glass legs.

Reply to First Rounders vs Rest of the World on Wed, 05 Nov 2014 02:05:08 GMT

Manzier — Wed, 05 Nov 2014 02:05:08 GMT

@gftchris said:

We've all talked a lot recently about the need to take certain positions in the first round, or to *not* take some in the first round. So I thought it'd be fun to make a couple 'all-star' teams made up of first round picks and 'others'. I doubt everyone will agree with all of the selections, but it's just to give an idea of the caliber of player availble.

So here's what I have - and it's not two 11s, or a 53 man roster, just a few players from each positions.

First Rounders … … Rest of the World

QB: P Manning, A Luck … …… …… …… …… …… …… … T Brady, R Wilson

RB: A Peterson M Lynch … … … …… …… …… …… …… L McCoy, J Charles

WR: C Johnson J Jones AJ Green … … …… …… … ...… J Gordon, A Brown, D Jackson

TE: V Davis G Olsen … … …… …… …… …… …… …..… A Gates, J Graham

OL: J Thomas Z Martin A Mack K Long T Williams … ...… J Peters, J Bitonio, J Kelce, M Yanda, C Glenn

DE: JJ Watt, R Quinn, G McCoy, N Suh … … … …… ……C Wake, G Hardy, G Atkins , K Williams

LB: C Matthews, T Hali, L Kuechly, P Willis … … .… ... ...L David, J Houston, K Alonso, N Bowman

DB: P Peterson, D Revis, J Haden, E Thomas, E Berry …....R Sherman, B Grimes, B Flowers, E Weddle, K Chanellor

Any suggestions for players I missed?

Nice list. Enjoyed it. Some truly monster players there.

And, as we also know, a lot of high picks wouldn't make that list. Haha. Putting it lightly.

So Ill add my list of players, but all were top 2 picks. And not top 2 rounds. These are top 2 overall. So, every player on my list MUST have been a "sure shot" "slam dunk" "cant miss" kind of player. I remember many of these guys being touted as the best everrrrrrrr to come out. Hahahaha

There were a few positions(TE, CB & S) that have never been selected #1 or #2. So, I picked the highest I could find. Here we gooooo:

Name - overall pick # - # of pro bowls:

QB:

Jamarcus Russell - #1 - 0

Ryan Leaf - #2 - 0

RB:

KiJana Carter - #1 - 0

Blair Thomas - #2 - 0

WR:

Charles Rogers - #2 - 0

Johnny Jones - #2 - 0

Larry Elkins - #1 - 0

TE:

Eric Ebron - #9

OT:

Tony Mandarich - #2 - 0

Robert Gallery - #2 - 0

OG:

D. Steinkuhler - #2 - 0

Leonard Davis - #2 - 0

Bob Johnson - #2 - 0

DE:

Courtney Brown - #1 - 0

Chris Long - #2 - 0

DT:

Dan Wilkinson - #1 - 0

Steve Emtman - #1 - 0

MLB:

Tom Cousineau - #1 - 0

Johnny Cooks - #2 - 0

OLB:

Aundrey Bruce - #1 - 0

Quentin Coryat - #2 - 0

SS/FS:

Michael Huff - #7 - 0

Stanley Richard - #9 - 0

CB:

Morris Claiborne - #6 - 0

Pacman Jones - #6 - 0

Extra fun trivia////At least 3 of these players were picked or traded for by the Browns. One of them(who?) we acquired with a draft pick that was later used to select what HOF quarterback?

Reply to First Rounders vs Rest of the World on Tue, 04 Nov 2014 20:02:46 GMT

Zombo — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 20:02:46 GMT

@the-gipper said:

@txdawg said:

Quarterbacks with multiple Super Bowl starts.

How many first rounders do you see?

Tom Brady #199

John Elway him

T erry Bradshaw him

Joe Montana 3rd round

Roger Staubach late round...not available for 5 years.

Jim Kelly him

Troy Aikman him

Bob Griese lower round

Ben Roethlisbergerhim

Kurt Warner UDFA

Peyton Manning him

Fran Tarkenton like 3rd round

Bart Starr 17th round

Jim Plunkett him

Eli Manning him

Len Dawson not sure...lower round

Joe Theismann like 3rd round

Brett Favre second round

Craig Morton lower round.

Morton was a first rounder, Dawson was too, by Steelers, then he was traded to the Browns, then released, then picked up by AFL KC.

Zombo

Reply to First Rounders vs Rest of the World on Tue, 04 Nov 2014 19:53:38 GMT

The Gipper — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 19:53:38 GMT

@txdawg said:

Quarterbacks with multiple Super Bowl starts.

How many first rounders do you see?

Tom Brady #199

John Elway him

T erry Bradshaw him

Joe Montana 3rd round

Roger Staubach late round...not available for 5 years.

Jim Kelly him

Troy Aikman him

Bob Griese lower round

Ben Roethlisbergerhim

Kurt Warner UDFA

Peyton Manning him

Fran Tarkenton like 3rd round

Bart Starr 17th round

Jim Plunkett him

Eli Manning him

Len Dawson not sure...lower round

Joe Theismann like 3rd round

Brett Favre second round

Craig Morton lower round.

Reply to First Rounders vs Rest of the World on Tue, 04 Nov 2014 18:41:42 GMT

TXDawg — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 18:41:42 GMT

Winning Super Bowl quarterbacks have been drafted in the first round 55.3 percent of the time (29.8 percent with the first overall pick). Of the 45 quarterbacks taken in the traditional NFL draft, the average selection spot is 54.9.

Some interesting info on the topic: http://www.nfl.com/superbowlchamps/quarterbacks

Reply to First Rounders vs Rest of the World on Tue, 04 Nov 2014 18:38:24 GMT

TXDawg — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 18:38:24 GMT

Quarterbacks with multiple Super Bowl starts.

How many first rounders do you see?

Reply to First Rounders vs Rest of the World on Tue, 04 Nov 2014 18:33:08 GMT

gftChris — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 18:33:08 GMT

Now with modified formatting...

Reply to First Rounders vs Rest of the World on Tue, 04 Nov 2014 18:13:43 GMT

gftChris — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 18:13:43 GMT

@the-gipper said:

There is a way to do it. I will start it off for you:

First Rounders.............................................Rest of the World

QB Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck..............Tom Brady, Russell Wilson

RB A Peterson, M. Lynch...........................McCoy, J. Charles

etc. etc. and on from there.

Ugh, those are terrible to read and a pain to format. But better to have them side by side still, I guess.

We need to get table functionality on here, BB Codes exist already - who's the webmonkey?

Reply to First Rounders vs Rest of the World on Tue, 04 Nov 2014 18:09:08 GMT

The Gipper — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 18:09:08 GMT

@gftchris said:
Yeah, but the formatting is terrible. If we could put table in I would.

There is a way to do it. I will start it off for you:

First Rounders.............................................Rest of the World

QB Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck..............Tom Brady, Russell Wilson

RB A Peterson, M. Lynch...........................McCoy, J. Charles

etc. etc. and on from there.

Reply to First Rounders vs Rest of the World on Tue, 04 Nov 2014 17:34:01 GMT

gftChris — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 17:34:01 GMT

@the-gipper said:
It would help better to put these guys side by side rather than one under the other.

Yeah, but the formatting is terrible. If we could put table in I would.

Reply to First Rounders vs Rest of the World on Tue, 04 Nov 2014 17:18:16 GMT

The Gipper — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 17:18:16 GMT

It would help better to put these guys side by side rather than one under the other.

Reply to First Rounders vs Rest of the World on Tue, 04 Nov 2014 13:36:47 GMT

LondonBrown — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 13:36:47 GMT

Certainly hits home how much you need to sort the O Line out early.

Reply to First Rounders vs Rest of the World on Tue, 04 Nov 2014 13:30:34 GMT

gftChris — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 13:30:34 GMT

There were a couple more brownies I was tempted by - like Gipson and Dansby, for example.

Reply to First Rounders vs Rest of the World on Tue, 04 Nov 2014 13:19:35 GMT

LondonBrown — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 13:19:35 GMT

Yeah where's Taylor Gabriel