@miktoxic said:

i wouldn't categorize wilson as one a running QB. what i've seen of him in the pros is that he runs outside towards the sidelines and goes out of bounds as soon as someone is near him. i don't ever see him turn it up field and run between tacklers like rg3, cam and kaep have done.

500 yd rushing YTD including 3-100+ yd games say otherwise. You just watched his third...

Agree his preferred mode is slipping OB or sliding, that was my basis for singling him out. But I've seen him go head first when the situation demanded it... and his awareness of the situation is his difference from the Newtons and Smiths and Kaep's and...

While he predominantly runs to salvage pass plays against man defenses, I'd bet he averages at least one designed run per game.

I suspect he does best out of the pocket because of his height it's easier to find throwing lanes and read the field that way.

Regardless, Wilson is a good QB. Not an elite type, but he's smart and can get the ball where it needs to be (Kinda like the guy we've been putting behind center, minus the rushing aspect).

@miktoxic said:

Yeah. Wilson seems smart about how to use it. Unlike the other guys, It's not his plan. it's just the last option. Steve Young is another who survived because he was pocket first(and smart).

Old Trent Dilfer was really ripping pre-game on CAR for their misuse and abuse of Newton.

There was a lot of talk and good info about how "running" QB's just aren't making it and lasting in the NFL.

Guys like Brady & Manning can go 15 years, while young guys like RGIII, Kaepernick and Newton are already looking old and broken.

@mark-o said:

good point

@miktoxic said:

is cam newton the biggest fruitcake diva QB or what?

guy throws a dismal interception and is smiling and laughing on the sidelines.

what a dick.

He looks messed up. His online is doing him no favors, but he's playing like he doesn't care. Looks like a statue, not even trying to make 2nd reads, not sensing pressure.

Idk what's going on but it's not the good cam Newton.

guy throws a dismal interception and is smiling and laughing on the sidelines.

what a dick.

@bbedward said:

He could have probably easily set the NFL record as it is 7 in a game. He sat out most of that 2d half, no?

@mark-o said:

Well, he did push off pretty clearly. But I am not sure he needed to.

@mark-o said:

But it's a horseshit call when you bet on the Saints giving 6 points!

LMAO...

Perspective! What a concept...

@clevfan4life said:

you call that cause if it was allowed teams would huddle their WR's around one guy at the end of that pass and then everyone would push off and basically clear the area for the guy in the middle to catch the ball. C'mon that was a blatant pushoff. You can argue that the 9'ers guy flopped a bit cause he acted like he got shot, but at the same time if he doesn't do that the refs may not see the pushoff. Graham pushed off, and when a dude that big and strong just puts his hands on a DB for a millisecond he alters that guys ability to compete for that jump ball. If Graham had done that to Haden to win a game at the end and it wasn't called, Browns fans would be stomping and pistol whipping their TV's. The NFL calls DB's so tight now that it would be comically absurd to allow WR's to get away with that. Had any of those guys put their hands on Graham like that you think there wouldn't be a DPI flag thrown?

But it's a horseshit call when you bet on the Saints giving 6 points!

@miktoxic said:

good weekend of football for me.

cleveland and ohio state win. pittsburgh loses. could've won the superfecta if tennessee would've knocked off the ratbirds.

Notre Dame lost in rather spectacular fashion. So, it was a good week of football for me.

@opal312 said:

Twice.

For a guy who is supposed to be a top flight Superstar, he's really cost his team with big drops in the clutch.

Thats the second game this year, that his drops have been a major factor in the Steelers losing.

@tour2ma said:

I was that "noble" in this, my rookie year...

Never again...

I've done the same for years. I've finished second and third, never champ, and was next to last one year. Typically middle of the pack. I don't feel grabbing a Steelers player here and there would've changed it much. Who knows for sure though.

My nobility only goes so far though. I've been riding the wave on Ravens RB Justin Forsett this year. Lol.

cleveland and ohio state win. pittsburgh loses. could've won the superfecta if tennessee would've knocked off the ratbirds.

@clevfan4life said:

He still might have come down with it. Fuckers 6'7 and as strong as the lineman. None of those DB's would have been able to pry that ball loose on the way down if he caught it right.

My first thought as well... the DB Graham pushed (and I thought it was clear he did push... with both hands no less) really was not in a good position to make a play on the ball. His back was to Graham and the ball.

@clevfan4life said:

He still might have come down with it. Fuckers 6'7 and as strong as the lineman. None of those DB's would have been able to pry that ball loose on the way down if he caught it right.

Yea he might have, but I agree with the penalty. He took a defender out of the play.

@clevfan4life said:

you call that cause if it was allowed teams would huddle their WR's around one guy at the end of that pass and then everyone would push off and basically clear the area for the guy in the middle to catch the ball. C'mon that was a blatant pushoff. You can argue that the 9'ers guy flopped a bit cause he acted like he got shot, but at the same time if he doesn't do that the refs may not see the pushoff. Graham pushed off, and when a dude that big and strong just puts his hands on a DB for a millisecond he alters that guys ability to compete for that jump ball. If Graham had done that to Haden to win a game at the end and it wasn't called, Browns fans would be stomping and pistol whipping their TV's. The NFL calls DB's so tight now that it would be comically absurd to allow WR's to get away with that. Had any of those guys put their hands on Graham like that you think there wouldn't be a DPI flag thrown?

It was blatant and I agree with it. That catch is a lot harder without that shove to the defender.