@darkside5 said:

But I'm getting older and get confused. LOL

LOL... there's a completely separate forum for that.

@walterwhite said:

Because he gets a bulk of the credit when we win and none of the criticism when we lose.

He's had some good games this year and he's also had some bad ones.

The QB will almost always take credit for the win and loss at the NFL level, especially in the eyes of the media.

Hoyer's a stand up guy and will always divert the credit for wins, and take the lumps for the losses.

As for the media, I've never given a damn what they think because it's all self serving on their part.

The post was meant for a different thread about hypothetical QB trades. But I'm getting older and get confused. LOL

@tour2ma said:

Read it... at least Kruger got this part right...

"Just the overall mental state, we could have come out with more emotion, more energy," said Kruger... "That's something I know I should have fixed early on."

Leadership after the fact?

Maybe because he turned out to be the face of the franchise.

Remember that debate?

Yes I remember the debate, and point well taken. I actually meant to make that post in a different thread where it made more sense.

@darkside5 said:

Might have something to do with the franchise record for incompletions he set yesterday.

@darkside5 said:

Because he gets a bulk of the credit when we win and none of the criticism when we lose.

He's had some good games this year and he's also had some bad ones.

The QB will almost always take credit for the win and loss at the NFL level, especially in the eyes of the media.

@browns23 said:

I'm not sure if this is posted elsewhere, but Kruger was pretty damn pissed after the game from the sounds of it which is good to hear. His comments were a little troubling about why they played so shitty. Here's the link: http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/9754/browns-forgot-who-they-were-in-loss-to-texans?ex_cid=espnapi_public

Read it... at least Kruger got this part right...

"Just the overall mental state, we could have come out with more emotion, more energy," said Kruger... "That's something I know I should have fixed early on."

Leadership after the fact?

@darkside5 said:

So why is it that the one getting slammed the most in this forum is Hoyer ? Simply because he's the QB ?

Maybe because he turned out to be the face of the franchise.

Remember that debate?

@tiamat63 said:

Also his edge containment was awful, and the same goes for Sheard. Don't know why these guys can't stay home.

@d-bone said:

That makes 2 starting defenders that have basically said "we weren't ready to play" ................ Very troubling to say the least. Throw in our OC & DC's terrible game plans and pathetic game day adjustments, and that warm and fuzzy feeling I had 11 days ago, has turned into fear and anguish.

Everybody had the same mindset you can't be hungover after a big win, 7 games left, etc. except for the team I guess.

@browns23 said:

I got worried when they announced after the Bengals game, that they were off until Tuesday. 4 days off is at least one too many for a young team.

As for Hoyer, he's consistently inconsistent. He's done some good things this season, so let's see how it plays out vs. Atlanta with Gordon coming back. If the offense is sluggish vs. the Falcons & @Buffalo, they may consider the switch to JF- I don't know if that is fair, but if they're 6-6, why not? Nothing to lose, unless JF says he isn't ready (like he did after camp).

@gftchris said:

Yeah, but we both know it was necessary. Truth. Haha.

@manzier said:

It's sad that you needed to add this

@bbedward said:

could it be a conspiracy ??

Maybe someone thought Watt would resolve our QB debate.

(and for the slow ones, dont freak out, its just a joke)

150 Yds, 4+ YPC for Blue, 50 Yds, 4+ YPC for Grimes. You don't win football games giving up numbers like that.

Offense not any better. Aside from 1 stat-skewing run, our rushing game was back to dead. Hoyer was inaccurate, everybody was scared of watt (In practice did they tell these guys just to lay down for Watt?) , don't understand the play calling - Run to Watt twice without a TE, then setup 3rd and 9. How about TE assist on Watt on passing plays? Hoyer is lucky to still be walking.

@gftchris said:

Exactly. Why stick with it, when it clearly wasn't working?

I've heard Shanny get credit for sticking with the run when we came back against the Stools and Titans. Of course, we were down big time in both those games. And, in those situations, MOST teams would have started passing. Those games our run game was "working" and he showed patience and stuck with it. And it worked.

This week there was no run game to stick with.

@gftchris said:

Probably because outside of the one run by Crowell we were averaging 1ypc.

Ok. But supposedly Shanahan doesn't abandon the run. Ever.

I don't have much to argue with as I was blasted yesterday something awful. I thought my bender at the Raiders late-afternoon game would be the farthest I'd go this year. I was wrong, lol.

@tml1138 said:

Probably because outside of the one run by Crowell we were averaging 1ypc.