@douche-nozzle said:

True.....but in the long run the Browns and Steelers have the same record. On any given Sunday a team like the Steelers can beat a team like the Browns.

The question is: can a team like the Steelers win against a team like the Bengals, whom they play twice.

@douche-nozzle said:

1. Once the OC started to call quick pass plays and runs at the blitz, Ben wasn't sacked any more.

Obviously the Titans did not "get the memo"... either that or you did not watch the game.

@douche-nozzle said:

And I realize that is all that matters to many of you mental midgets. But in the NFL, it's more than just one game. You see, the NFL is built for parity where even a team like the Browns can beat a team like the Steelers "on any given Sunday" but those single games, just like the Browns, seldom mean squat in the long run.

Divisional games will be very important in an undecided AFC north division in these final games... Doesn't matter when they were played.

@walterwhite said:

Roethlisberger is behind his best line ever.

Pouncey is great and DeCastro is very good, and it's the first time that those two first round picks have played together due to their revolving injuries.

Health Miller is an outstanding blocker as well along with Matt Spaeth who is a blocking TE, who rarely touches the ball.

Having Mike Munchak as their coach has helped immensely as well especially Monday Night against TEN.

La'Veon Bell may be the best all-purpose running back that PIT has ever had in that he has developed into an every-down back with the very soft hands of a receiver.

@jrb12711 said:

Belichek is very much a 'hot-hand' type of guy, so until Gray messes up I wouldn't be surprised if Blount doesn't see the field. The second he fumbled or plays bad though, that's a different story.

Agree... Having seen both run this year, Gray is clearly the better runner at this point.

@bbedward said:

It was Clowneys 2nd game and he did get through a couple times, didn't get home but he did flash...even on that right side against JT. But yeah there was a reason they put Watt on the other side almost all day long...as I knew they would.

@vagitron said:

Harrison complained all the time about Thomas holding. Bottom line all good offensive lineman figure out a way to hold and get away with it. My hold machine comment was more about my hate for the browns than Joe Thomas. I still 100% believe he's no longer the top left tackle tho. He plays for Dallas.

Smith is really good, but you can't definitively say he's better than Thomas. JT made Clowney look like a boy, and stuffed Watt the few times they matched up - can't do better at LT than what he did on Sunday, and pretty much every week.

Harrison complains about a lot of things, maybe he's just disappointed he can't beat JT even though he's juicing.

@vagitron said:

Harrison complained all the time about Thomas holding. Bottom line all good offensive lineman figure out a way to hold and get away with it. My hold machine comment was more about my hate for the browns than Joe Thomas. I still 100% believe he's no longer the top left tackle tho. He plays for Dallas.

And previously you denied any of your comments being Homerism. Ok.

complained to the refs as a matter of trying to get a call that wasn't there.

They did it all the time, on important pass plays. then they'd be laughing

that they did/didn't get one.

@vagitron said:

So, you are saying that for all Harrison's bluster over the years, he was just a big fucking pussy, whining about holding?

As for your statement about the guy from Dallas, again I ask for the 3rd/4th time.....back up your claim. I know there are these services out there that grade every player at each position....show us those results. Don't just give us "your" opinion. You know your opinions hold no credence around here....because they are so often wrong and based on your homerism. Give us the basis for your claim. No one denies that there are other good LTs out there, but have some fucking ammunition in that gun of a mouth of yours when you shoot it off.

This service still ranks JT as #1:

http://cover32.com/2014/06/02/top-10-in-2014-the-best-offensive-tackles-in-the-nfl-today/5/

This one has a couple of other people ahead of him (but not Smith) It has Mack as #1 center (it was preseason)

http://athlonsports.com/nfl/2014-nfl-player-rankings-offensive-linemen

@clevfan4life said:

Thomas is hold machine? omg stfu and lmfao. If he was a hold machine Harrison would have cried about it years ago. James Harrison himself has said that JT is the best tackle he's faced in his whole career. I think Suggs has said the same, or at least one of the top 2 or 3 that he's faced. Gtfo with that hold bullshit vag. Not with your O line that throws a rear naked chokehold on anyone that rips under em cause they've been told in no uncertain terms that their gone if they let Berger get dipsacked. There is not a OL in the NFL that gets away with more holding and chop blocking than the Steelers.

Harrison complained all the time about Thomas holding. Bottom line all good offensive lineman figure out a way to hold and get away with it. My hold machine comment was more about my hate for the browns than Joe Thomas. I still 100% believe he's no longer the top left tackle tho. He plays for Dallas.

@clevfan4life said:

Thomas is hold machine?

Not a machine... Thomas may be a "holding savant", but almost exclusively while run-blocking.

@clevelandmilidh said:

I don't understand the white guys comment. So black offensive lineman aren't smart and technically sound? And our pasty white boys can barely bench 225 and run 5.4's but man check out those mensa cards?

@unsympathetic said:

Belichek is very much a 'hot-hand' type of guy, so until Gray messes up I wouldn't be surprised if Blount doesn't see the field. The second he fumbled or plays bad though, that's a different story.

@unsympathetic said:

And, as if on cue for this thread.. Blount was released by the Steelers and signed by the Pats for 2 yrs.

Everyone who grabbed Gray for fantasy.. can leave him on the bench again.

I picked up blount and have gray in one of my others. I still think gray has value but probably less value now.

Everyone who grabbed Gray for fantasy.. can leave him on the bench again.

@winstonlegthigh said:

WTF was I thinking of, DOH!

Prior to the season, knowing we'd be going ZBS, I would have taken Pouncey based upon his superior mobility. However, after seeing how well Mack adapted, I would now take Mack.

Bito vs. DeCastro is an even closer call for me, but in the end I would give the nod to Bito due to DeCastro's injury history and more importantly Bito's value as a back-up LT.

@vagitron said:

Why is bitonio a rookie, better than David decastro? Other than saying it. Joe Thomas is still very good but he's not as good as tyron smith. Its my opinion. Beyond that are you all really trying to say that crowell or west are as good as bell? Oh and mack is a very stout center, definitely top 5 buts hes light years better than pouncey? Pouncey also hasn't had Much consistency around him but mack has had one of the best tackles in the game helping his cause. Pouncey is very good, if mack is better its not by much. Period. I didn't say anything homer.

Edit: I'd also LOVE to have Phil Taylor at the nose in the steelers defense but one fact remains. Taylor came back from being injured fat as fvck and he's now injured again.

Exactly. Your opinions and they favor Steelers all the time. For instance, you ride Gipper about his posts, but I've seen comments time and again from him where he has favored the Steelers in aspects over the Browns. It never happens with you.

You're still one of the most level-headed Steeler fans I've seen on this board, but not immune to delusions about your team.

@vagitron said:

Nickers I don't give a damn about you and I'm not sure anyone else does either. I know I'm in enemy territory. Let's say I am a fraudulent troll (I'm not). What the hell are you? The defective toy in the bottom of a stale capt. Crunch box? You bring about the same kind of value to the threads on this board. Hell you took the dude talking about manziel literally.

Since you have been here.. you haven't added one single thread. or component of value, EVER! to this forum. all you have done is sat there like a little wimp, lurking in the shadows, waiting to attack people that says anything about your little Steelers. That's not normal. That's paramount to having a sickness and an obsession, and fear of having a self inferiority complex. And what does talking about Manziel, have anything to do with this? ABSOLUTELY NOTING!. We were talking about lineman. Ah, yes. I see. your pussy is on the rag , and your prescription for your YAZ ran out. Yes , Maybe a few people care about Me. Maybe they don't... I have become friends with a couple and becaame facebook friends,with a couple posters from here. So you lose there,pal. Heres a fact.. Absolutely NO ONE on this board even gives 2 shits about you.. Now shove that up your ass,and smoke it... Asshole!.

@the-gipper said:

Here is one ranking of the best rookies in the NFL:

Top 50 Rankings Rank Player Pos. Team Pick LW Moving

1 Joel Bitonio LG Browns 2.3 1 Same

2 C.J. Mosley ILB Ravens 1.17 2 Same

3 Anthony Barr OLB Vikings 1.9 3 Same

4 Zack Martin RG Cowboys 1.16 8 Up

5 Corey Linsley C Packers 5.21 5 Same

6 Khalil Mack OLB Raiders 1.5 4 Down

7 Aaron Donald DT Rams 1.13 6 Down

8 Jason Verrett CB Chargers 1.25 13 Up

9 Kelvin Benjamin WR Panthers 1.28 7 Down

10 Chandler Catanzaro K Cardinals N/A 10 Same

11 Kyle Fuller CB Bears 1.14 11 Same

12 Ha Ha Clinton-Dix S Packers 1.21 14 Up

13 Brandin Cooks WR Saints 1.20 12 Down

14 Weston Richburg LG Giants 2.11 9 Down

15 E.J. Gaines CB Rams 6.12 15 Same

16 Bradley Roby CB Broncos 1.31 22 Up

17 Russell Bodine C Bengals 4.11 23 Up

18 Sammy Watkins WR Bills 1.4 18 Same

19 Cody Parkey K Eagles N/A 19 Same

This was through like halfway point of the season.

But seriously, two centers on this list taken in the 4th round or later...that's interesting