<![CDATA[Serious Question]]>I really think that the Browns are trying to not win. Call me crazy but it looks like we have a "next year" attitude.

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@kbndawg said:

Hoyer playing proves that he sucks and when the Browns let him walk that move will be justified. Why can't you see that?

Reality?

If you want to say they were trying to be sure of what they had, so they were playing Hoyer to find out, then I get that. Hell, I've even said that... repeatedly... until today.

But you seem to be saying that they knew he was bad, but played him anyway just to sour the fan base on him to "justify" not signing him. Yes?

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@kbndawg said:

Browns are not tanking to get a higher draft pick.....they are tanking to not pay Hoyer and start the JFF era next year.

I don't agree with that

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/458026https://brownsboard.com/post/458026Mon, 08 Dec 2014 00:19:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Serious Question on Sun, 07 Dec 2014 22:20:54 GMT]]>Hoyer playing proves that he sucks and when the Browns let him walk that move will be justified. Why can't you see that?

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@kbndawg said:

You guys honestly think that today the Browns were trying to win? Leaving Hoyer in was the correct call? You honestly think th\at Hoyer gave us the best chance to win? Browns have turned their attention to next year and not paying Hoyer.

How the fuck does playing Hoyer now lead to not paying him?

You see D like we played today and think not trying to win?

I thought Hoyer did give us the best chance going into the game. By the end of the 1st Qtr I did not, and wanted the change made. Then Hoyer guided our best drive of the game and I knew he was in for the duration.

Vag... Hoyer's mechanics were way off early. Worst I'd seen in at least three weeks. Don't know what the deal is, but he was shying away from phantom pressure. The change was needed.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/457826https://brownsboard.com/post/457826Sun, 07 Dec 2014 22:18:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Serious Question on Sun, 07 Dec 2014 22:15:47 GMT]]>Yep defense played great........tell me why the Browns stuck with Hoyer today with the playoffs on the line and no downside to playing Manziel. Why did Hoyer even start today? It is all about he contract.

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@kbndawg said:

You guys honestly think that today the Browns were trying to win? Leaving Hoyer in was the correct call? You honestly think th\at Hoyer gave us the best chance to win? Browns have turned their attention to next year and not paying Hoyer.

What? The browns were in the thick of it until today. What I want to know is why some of you think manziel is the answer? Hoyer is definitely shitting the bed but outside of his TD run last week he didn't exactly set the world on fire. Manziel could have come in and done worse. All that does is succeed in hurting his confidence (if that's possible)

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/457809https://brownsboard.com/post/457809Sun, 07 Dec 2014 22:11:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Serious Question on Sun, 07 Dec 2014 22:10:45 GMT]]>I could have sworn we have Defensive Coaches on staff...

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/457808https://brownsboard.com/post/457808Sun, 07 Dec 2014 22:10:45 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Serious Question on Sun, 07 Dec 2014 22:08:09 GMT]]>what a shame. I feel bad for the defensive players. What a disgrace by the offense,and the coaching staff!!!

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@kbndawg said:

I really think that the Browns are trying to not win. Call me crazy but it looks like we have a "next year" attitude.

In many ways, "Tomorrow" is "Today" in the NFL.

Ask (former) Coach Chud

Your contention is nuttier than nuts, IMHO.

It is just as logical that The Browns have taken "The next 20 years" attitude, starting in 1999.

Think so?

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/457797https://brownsboard.com/post/457797Sun, 07 Dec 2014 22:06:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Serious Question on Sun, 07 Dec 2014 22:02:39 GMT]]>You guys honestly think that today the Browns were trying to win? Leaving Hoyer in was the correct call? You honestly think th\at Hoyer gave us the best chance to win? Browns have turned their attention to next year and not paying Hoyer.

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@kbndawg said:

Again I ask........are we tanking the season?

Same answer. No.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

The OP must be half brain dead.

Only half?

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/457765https://brownsboard.com/post/457765Sun, 07 Dec 2014 21:56:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Serious Question on Sun, 07 Dec 2014 21:53:57 GMT]]>HOYER sucks. Great kid,plenty of heart,but no skills. Pettins decision cost us the season today. Great defense,zero offense. This sucks, I am so pissed off right now!!!!!!!!!!

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/457760https://brownsboard.com/post/457760Sun, 07 Dec 2014 21:53:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Serious Question on Sun, 07 Dec 2014 21:52:33 GMT]]>Browns are not tanking to get a higher draft pick.....they are tanking to not pay Hoyer and start the JFF era next year.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/457755https://brownsboard.com/post/457755Sun, 07 Dec 2014 21:52:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Serious Question on Sun, 07 Dec 2014 21:50:43 GMT]]>Honestly i think the Browns were proving to Hoyer that is was not worth "starter" money. No reason on this planet to stick with him today "if" you wanted to make the playoffs.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/457750https://brownsboard.com/post/457750Sun, 07 Dec 2014 21:50:43 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Serious Question on Sun, 07 Dec 2014 21:50:20 GMT]]>Tanking the season would be what Indianapolis did when Manning left to get Luck genius.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/457749https://brownsboard.com/post/457749Sun, 07 Dec 2014 21:50:20 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Serious Question on Sun, 07 Dec 2014 21:47:29 GMT]]>Leaving hoyer in the game today=tanking the fucking season.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/457739https://brownsboard.com/post/457739Sun, 07 Dec 2014 21:47:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Serious Question on Sun, 07 Dec 2014 21:47:18 GMT]]>The OP must be half brain dead.

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@kbndawg said:

Again I ask........are we tanking the season?

no. the starting QB just tanked his career. if we were going to tank the season they should have started like oh, let's say THE FIRST GAME?

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@browns1216 said:

yes, I think being 6-4 in November with tons of starters injured is heading in the right direction. Much better football than what was seen the last few seasons. It looks rough at times but can you see Weeden making the same comebacks Hoyer has? Can you say that the team is worse now than it was last season? Can you say that you honestly believe Pettine is a worse coach than Shurmur?

Enjoying mediocrity, I love it!

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/457727https://brownsboard.com/post/457727Sun, 07 Dec 2014 21:43:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Serious Question on Sun, 07 Dec 2014 21:39:55 GMT]]>Again I ask........are we tanking the season?

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@the-gipper said:

The lack of continuity may be part of it....but that is not all, only a minor part. Talent plays a part.

Yup... Having a HC who is talented helps. Along with leadership, vision, social skills, intestinal fortitude...

Vag, where exactly do you think we should have stopped the HC wheel since '99?

With the possible exception of Mangini and maybe Butch (minus the GM duties), I got nothing...

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@vagitron said:

The browns have been as bad as they've been for as long as they've been because of a lack of continuity. Pettine will continue to grow in his position as head coach. You need to stop the coaching carousel at some point no?

The lack of continuity may be part of it....but that is not all, only a minor part. Talent plays a part.

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@walterwhite said:

Mike Pettine isn't a good coach and Brian Hoyer isn't an accurate QB.

That coaching in the last minute was fire-able.

Oh c'mon. So there is some questionable clock management at times but "fire-able"? At 7-4 in his rookie HC year? Are you insane?

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@mark-o said:

Harbaugh will be coaching that team up north. He's not cut out for the NFL at least not yet.

I agree. I think most top coaches believe a top college job is far better and more secure then a NFL job. They have far more control over their fate.

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