<![CDATA[QB bangs and busts by team]]>OK, I said that I would do an analysis of which teams have done the best and the worst when it comes to drafting QBs in the first round. I will break this down by division....plus I will go back to 1936 when the draft began instead of just starting in 1970. Here is the NFC West teams in their history. (note...the NFC West has the two teams that have move around the most)

Chicago/St. Louis/Arizona Cardinals:

Lamar Mchan....bust

King Hill.....average

George Izo....bust

Joe Namath....bust as far as Cards are concern as they "wasted" a 1st rd. pick on a guy that never played there

Steve Pisarkewiscz....bust

Kelly Stouffer....bust

Tim Rosenbach...bust

Matt Leinert....bust

(we may have a winner for the "team with the most busts in history" award with our first entry)

San Francisco 49ers

Earl Morrall...solid pick

John Brodie...solid pick

Billy Kilmer...solid pick

Steve Spurrier....a bust

Jim Druckenmiller.....bust

Alex Smith....average pick

Seattle Seahawks

Dan McGwire....bust

Rick Mirer...bust.

Cleveland/LA/St. Louis Rams

Bobby Thomason...bust

Billy Wade....average

Roman Gabriel...solid pick

Bill Munson...average

Sam Bradford.....questionable at this point

]]>https://brownsboard.com/topic/31061/qb-bangs-and-busts-by-teamRSS for NodeFri, 02 Oct 2026 19:37:47 GMTWed, 26 Nov 2014 19:58:45 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to QB bangs and busts by team on Sat, 29 Nov 2014 08:05:01 GMT]]>

@the-gipper said:

Potential? Sure. That is perhaps what makes him one of the 5 all time biggest QB busts of all time.

Hell while you're at it list the 10 biggest qb busts of all time regardless of where drafted.

I'll start with Ryan Leaf

and Jafattus Russell.

Fill out the rest of the list with this hall of shame- I find little to argue with. You've been far to kind to Browns busts like Couch, Phipps, and Quinn. You HAVE to take into account where a player was drafted, and if you're drafted #1 overall or top 5, and don't at least have a long & productive pro career = bust in my book. Or if you gave up picks or players to get him. Care to argue at this point Trent Richardson is a big time bust- and RG III wasn't worth one first round pick, much less three?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1047730-50-biggest-quarterback-busts-in-nfl-draft-history

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/454727https://brownsboard.com/post/454727Sat, 29 Nov 2014 08:05:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to QB bangs and busts by team on Fri, 28 Nov 2014 20:48:22 GMT]]>

@hoorta said:

Um, I'll posit Art Schlichter had the best pro potential of any OSU qb, too bad compulsive gambling landed him in jail.

Potential? Sure. That is perhaps what makes him one of the 5 all time biggest QB busts of all time.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/454596https://brownsboard.com/post/454596Fri, 28 Nov 2014 20:48:22 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to QB bangs and busts by team on Fri, 28 Nov 2014 19:14:54 GMT]]>

@the-gipper said:

In terms of which schools have produced the best QBs, I can only say that it is well know that Ohio St. is not one of them.

The best "QB" that came out of OSU, may not have been a QB much at all: Tom Matte......in fact he only threw 42 career passes.....but he did make a famous appearance at QB in a postseason game against the Packers.

No, he was a runner, with about 5000 career rush yards, and a receiver....with about 3000 career receiving yards.

The best OSU QB pro was Mike Tomcsak with a 43 CA followed by Kent Graham

Um, I'll posit Art Schlichter had the best pro potential of any OSU qb, too bad compulsive gambling landed him in jail.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/454545https://brownsboard.com/post/454545Fri, 28 Nov 2014 19:14:54 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to QB bangs and busts by team on Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:57:57 GMT]]>Great post. A lot of work went into this data. Impressive. I don't feel so bad for the Bills when I look at the Redskins.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/454517https://brownsboard.com/post/454517Fri, 28 Nov 2014 17:57:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to QB bangs and busts by team on Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:48:25 GMT]]>One of the best schools at producing QBs has to be Purdue with these entries adn their CAs:

Drew Brees 134

Len Dawson 110

Bob Griese 104

Jim Everett 87

Jeff George 65.....with talent that should have gotten him higher

Gary Danielson...48

all of these are better than OSU's best

Mike Phipps...40

Kyle Orton...34

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/454498https://brownsboard.com/post/454498Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:48:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to QB bangs and busts by team on Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:43:41 GMT]]>In terms of which schools have produced the best QBs, I can only say that it is well know that Ohio St. is not one of them.

The best "QB" that came out of OSU, may not have been a QB much at all: Tom Matte......in fact he only threw 42 career passes.....but he did make a famous appearance at QB in a postseason game against the Packers.

No, he was a runner, with about 5000 career rush yards, and a receiver....with about 3000 career receiving yards.

The best OSU QB pro was Mike Tomcsak with a 43 CA followed by Kent Graham

Since it is Michigan week I will include them too. Michigan has a far better record at producing NFL QBs.

Obviously, Mr. Brady is one of the best of all time he has a 145 CA

Jim Harbaugh has a 78 CA

Brian Griese has a 53

Elvis Grbac has a 46

(these are all higher than OSU's best...Tomscak)

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/454495https://brownsboard.com/post/454495Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:43:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to QB bangs and busts by team on Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:28:58 GMT]]>Think we can safely say EJ Manuel is a bust now...

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/454493https://brownsboard.com/post/454493Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:28:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to QB bangs and busts by team on Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:29:26 GMT]]>

@everlastingxxx said:

He was actually a pretty good QB. His just didnt have a strong enough arm. I thought it was amazing the Cowboys got 3 draft picks for him. BTW, nice job on the break downs.

Walsh did very little in his long career. I guess maybe he was not a complete bust. Below average. He was essentially a career backup....that is about the sum and substance of him.

Looking at the PFR's "Career Production Average" he got a score of 22 for his entire 11 year career.

Compare say, Tim Couch. In only 5 years he had a 32 score.

Or, let's compare him to his fellow Miami Fla. QB brethren:

Jim Kelly had a 103 CA in 11 years

Vinny had a 97 in 15 years

Bernie had a 67 in just 7 years

Walsh is next with that 22 score in his 11 years.

George Mira had a 10 score.

Funny that a lot of people think of Miami, Fla. as the "school of quarterbacks"....but in reality, that perception is based on just 3 people: Kelly, Bernie, Vinny......all of whom played on that team at the same time, Kelly as a senior, Bernie and Vinny as freshmen. Walsh was a very minor contributor to that theory....and Gino Torretta, though he won the Heisman is a big fat -0- score in the NFL CA. Even Ken Dorsey....who had only a 1 was better than Torretta.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/454491https://brownsboard.com/post/454491Fri, 28 Nov 2014 16:29:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to QB bangs and busts by team on Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:06:38 GMT]]>

@secondwave said:

How awesome is it (for the Colts) that they'll have only two starting QBs in a 30 year span? I'd venture to guess that Luck will be there for a good portion of his career.

Wish we had that.

What about the guy that started for them against the Titans when Peyton was healthy.....and a win by them would put the Browns in the playoffs, but they sat Peyton and ton of other starters and gave a game away vs. Tits.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/454027https://brownsboard.com/post/454027Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:06:38 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to QB bangs and busts by team on Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:02:42 GMT]]>How awesome is it (for the Colts) that they'll have only two starting QBs in a 30 year span? I'd venture to guess that Luck will be there for a good portion of his career.

Wish we had that.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/454025https://brownsboard.com/post/454025Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:02:42 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to QB bangs and busts by team on Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:01:39 GMT]]>

@playgroundlegend said:

youre missing a lot of good QBs in those lists that were drafted in the 1st.. escpecially more recent ones

I didn't miss a single QB drafted in the first round......everyone that was drafted since 1936 is listed. Maybe I just hadn't gotten around to everyone when you posted. Is premature ejaculation usually a problem for you?

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/454024https://brownsboard.com/post/454024Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:01:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to QB bangs and busts by team on Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:00:08 GMT]]>

@everlastingxxx said:

Walsh was a supplemental pick. Dallas traded Walsh to the New Orleans Saints for first, third and second round draft choices. According to Wiki, he had an 11 year career.

I consider him pretty much a bust. For a long career he had very little production compared to others with similar careers At best you would say he was below average.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/454023https://brownsboard.com/post/454023Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:00:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to QB bangs and busts by team on Wed, 26 Nov 2014 21:56:35 GMT]]>

@purplepantywaste said:

Can't wait to see Baltimore...if you include the Baltimore Colts history along with the Ravens it's almost as bad, like drafting Elway for him not to play

I counted the Colts as having a decent rate. Only 3 out of 8 were busts. But the success rate includes Elway/Peyton/Luck...none of whom played in Baltimore. Baltimore Colts best choice was Bert Jones....and Flacco for Ravens.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/454022https://brownsboard.com/post/454022Wed, 26 Nov 2014 21:56:35 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to QB bangs and busts by team on Wed, 26 Nov 2014 21:53:46 GMT]]>A few factoids to glean from all this:

Seattle has the highest "bust" pct at 100% with 2 for two...Mirer/McGwire.....but, they have a small sample:

The teams with the really poor track record are:

the Bengals.....6 out of 7 busts

the Cardinals...6 out of 8 busts

the Packers...6 out of 8 busts

The Redskins....8 or 9 (if you count RGIII)....out of 12.

The Pats have avoided having any complete bust. They are 0 for 4 in my estimation.

The best at drafting first round HOF talent? The Steelers. Of 5 first round picks, 3 are HOF Caliber: Dawson/Bradshaw/BR.

Next is the Dolphins with 50% HOF rate: 2 out of 4: Griese/Marino.

The Redskins have drafted the most QBs in the first round in history with 12, the Lions have taken 10, and the Bears have taken 9. Longevity helps.

Also: 15 teams have a "bust" rate of 50% or better of their first round QBs picks. (Including Browns who are 4 busts out of 8 picks....including JFF).

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/454020https://brownsboard.com/post/454020Wed, 26 Nov 2014 21:53:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to QB bangs and busts by team on Wed, 26 Nov 2014 21:28:53 GMT]]>Finally, here are the 1st round picks for the teams of the AFC North:

Baltimore Ravens:

Kyle Boller...bust

Joe Flacco....solid pick

Cincinnati Bengals:

Greg Cook...injury bust

Clint Longley...bust

Jack Thompson...bust

Wayne Peace...bust

David Klinger...bust

Akili Smith....bust

Carson Palmer....solid pick

(Bengals in running for worst history)

Cleveland Browns

Harry Agannis...bust

Bobby Garrett...bust

Mike Phipps....I want to say bust....but his career stats say average at best....go with below average

Bernie Kosar....solid pick

Tim Couch....below average

Brady Quinn....bust

Brandon Weeden...bust

Johnny Manziel....jury out.

Pittsburgh Steelers:

Ted Marchibroda...bust

Len Dawson...HOF, but not for them

Terry Bradshaw...HOF

Mark Malone...below average

Ben Roethlisberger...HOF potential

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/454018https://brownsboard.com/post/454018Wed, 26 Nov 2014 21:28:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to QB bangs and busts by team on Wed, 26 Nov 2014 21:17:58 GMT]]>Here are the 1st round QB picks of the teams of the AFC East:

Buffalo Bills

Jim Kelly...HOF

JP Losman...bust

EJ Manuel...questionable so far

Miami Dolphins

Rick Norton...bust

Bob Griese...HOF

Dan Marino...HOF

Ryan Tannehill....fair, so far

New York Jets:

Sandy Stephens...bust

Joe Namath....HOF

Richard Todd...average

Ken O'Brien...solid pick

Ken Hobart....bust

Chad Pennington...solid pick

Mark Sanchez....average so far

New England Patriots:

Jack Concannon...below average

Jim Plunkett....solid pick....but not for them

Tony Eason...average

Drew Bledsoe...solid pick

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/454013https://brownsboard.com/post/454013Wed, 26 Nov 2014 21:17:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to QB bangs and busts by team on Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:55:55 GMT]]>Here are the picks of the teams from the AFC South:

Houston Oiler/Tennessee Titans

Dan Pastorini...solid pick

Jim Everett...solid pick

Steve McNair...solid pick

Vince Young...bust

Jake Locker....looking like a bust

Indianapolis/Baltimore Colts:

Cotton Davidson...bust

George Shaw...bust

Bert Jones....solid pick

Art Schlichter...bust

John Elway...HOF...but not for them

Jeff George....uncatagorizable, but not a bust if career production counts

Peyton Manning...HOF talent

Andrew Luck....solid so far

Jacksonville Jaguars:

Byron Leftwich...average

Blaine Gabbert...bust

Blake Bortles....too soon

Houston Texans

David Carr average (his career production stats are better than a lot of QBs....so no, I do not count him as a bust)

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/454010https://brownsboard.com/post/454010Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:55:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to QB bangs and busts by team on Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:43:49 GMT]]>Here are the 1st round QB draft choices for the teams of the AFC West:

Denver Broncos:

Tommy Maddox...bust

Jay Cutler....questionable

Tim Tebow...bust

Kansas City Chiefs:

Pete Beathard...bust

Steve Fuller...bust

Todd Blackledge...bust

(note....Chiefs have not take a 1st round QB in over 30 years...they were so burnt apparently)

Oakland Raiders:

Roman Gabriel...solid pick...but not for them

Marc Wilson...average

Todd Marinovich...bust

Jamarcus Russell...bust

San Diego Chargers

Marty Domres...bust

Ryan Leaf...bust

Eli Manning....traded for Rivers, both solid picks

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/454009https://brownsboard.com/post/454009Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:43:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to QB bangs and busts by team on Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:42:19 GMT]]>youre missing a lot of good QBs in those lists that were drafted in the 1st.. escpecially more recent ones

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/454007https://brownsboard.com/post/454007Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:42:19 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to QB bangs and busts by team on Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:37:18 GMT]]>

@purplepantywaste said:

Can't wait to see Baltimore...if you include the Baltimore Colts history along with the Ravens it's almost as bad, like drafting Elway for him not to play

Can't do that because the Baltimore colts franchise is in Indiana 😛

Just like you'd group the oilers with the titans. Just because they're the same franchises just different zip codes.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/454003https://brownsboard.com/post/454003Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:37:18 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to QB bangs and busts by team on Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:35:21 GMT]]>Here are the QBs for the NFC East:

Dallas Cowboys:

Craig Morton...solid pick

Steve Walsh...bust

Troy Aikman...HOF

New York Giants:

Travis Tidwill...bust

Lee Grosscup....bust

Phil Simms....solid pick

Dave Brown...bust

Phillip Rivers....solid pick traded for solid pick Eli

Washington Redskins

Sammy Baugh...HOF

Jim Hardy...bust

Harry Gilmer...bust

Jack Scarbath...bust

Ralph Giuliemi...bust

Don Allard...bust

Richie Lucas...bust

Norm Snead...solid pick

Heath Shuler...bust

Patrick Ramsey...bust

Jason Campbell....average

Robert Griffin III....questionable

(Redskins may equal or surpass Cards with their history of busts)

Philadelphia Eagles

Davey O'Brien...bust

Frank Tripucka...bust

John Reaves...bust

Donovan McNabb....solid pick

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/454002https://brownsboard.com/post/454002Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:35:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to QB bangs and busts by team on Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:23:02 GMT]]>Here are the picks by teams from the NFC North:

Detroit Lions

Otto Graham HOF, but not for them

YA Tittle HOF, but not for them

John Rauch....bust

John Hadl....solid pick...but not for them

Pete Beathard....bust

Greg Landry...solid pick

Chuck Long...bust

Andre Ware...bust

Joey Harrington...bust

Matt Stafford...solid pick so far

Green Bay Packers

Ernie Case...bust

Stan Heath...bust

Babe Parilli...solid pick, but not for them

Randy Duncan...bust

Don Horn...bust

Jerry Tagge...bust

Rich Campbell...bust

Aaron Rodgers...HOF talent

( for a team with so many busts they have recovered well)

Minnesota Vikings

Tommy Kramer...solid pick

Daunte Culpepper...solid pick

Christian Ponder...bust

Teddy Twatwater....too soon to tell

Chicago Bears

Sid Luckman HOF

Frankie Albert...bust

Johnny Lujack...bust

Bobby Layne HOF, but not for them

Bob Williams...bust

Jim McMahon...solid pick

Jim Harbaugh...solid pick

Cade McNown...bust

Rex Grossman....below average

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/453999https://brownsboard.com/post/453999Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:23:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to QB bangs and busts by team on Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:18:33 GMT]]>Can't wait to see Baltimore...if you include the Baltimore Colts history along with the Ravens it's almost as bad, like drafting Elway for him not to play

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/453998https://brownsboard.com/post/453998Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:18:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to QB bangs and busts by team on Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:08:29 GMT]]>Here is the AFC South:

New Orleans Saints:

Archie Manning....solid pick

Dave Wilson....bust

Carolina Panthers:

Kerry Collins...solid pick

Cam Newton....solid pick so far

Atlanta Falcons:

Randy Johnson....bust

Steve Bartkowski...solid pick

Chris Miller...average

Michael Vick....actually solid pick for them...until

Matt Ryan...solid pick so far

Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Doug Williams....average to above

Steve Young...HOF...but not for them

Vinny Testaverde.....solid pick

Trent Dilfer...average

Josh Freeman... has to be a bust

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/453990https://brownsboard.com/post/453990Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:08:29 GMT