@vagitron said:

If he is on the list, then I inadvertently overlooked him. It was not my intent. I will go back and check. Thanks for bringing it up.

OK, I have checked.....and BR is not on the list....yet.

Remember, I am using the PFR "Career Average" stat for this list. It is supposed to record a player's total productivity....and supposedly it can compare players at all positions from QBs to nose tackles.

The list I gave of the Top 50 went from Peyton Manning with a 172 score to Gannon and Jim Hart with scores of 99.

Ben Roethlisberger to date has a 94 score so he is not yet in the Top 50 all time players not in the HOF. (I am not sure that any of this year's stats are computed in these scores, probably not, so those may be added at the end of the season)

But yes, Rivers is in there with a score of 107.....and I am not the one who included him, PFR was. ( The score is a very complex mathematical algorithm.....I don't understand how it works....you are free to figure it out).

Here is the link, see for yourself:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/career_av_career.htm

Edit: and you included rivers? Lol

@richiswhere said:

Yes, you have to understand with the way football is played these days with pinball offenses the more recent players seem to score better on these sorts of things. Plus, having a long career is helpful.

he Class of 2015 will be selected from the list of the 15 Modern-Era finalists plus the one Senior finalist (former Minnesota Vikings center Mick Tingelhoff) selected last month by the Hall of Fame’s Senior Selection Committe - See more at: http://www.profootballhof.com/enshrinement/2014/9/16/modern-era-nominees-for-class-of-2015/#sthash.Pn6rHeyp.dpuf

Mick Tinglehoff will be elected.....as he should be

(underlined are first time eligible. Red are my choices for who gets in

Quarterbacks: (4) – Randall Cunningham, Rich Gannon, Phil Simms, Kurt Warner

Wide Receivers: (9) – *Tim Brown (also KR), Isaac Bruce, Gary Clark, Henry Ellard (also PR), *Marvin Harrison, Torry Holt, Sterling Sharpe, Jimmy Smith, Rod Smith

Tight End: (1) – Mark Bavaro

Running Backs: (14) – Shaun Alexander, Ottis Anderson, Tiki Barber, *Jerome Bettis, Roger Craig, Stephen Davis, Terrell Davis, Eddie George, Priest Holmes, Edgerrin James, Daryl Johnston, Jamal Lewis, Herschel Walker (also KR), Ricky Watters

Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt have the second-most combined receiving yards (3,106 yards, 2000) in a season out of any wide receiver duo?

Offensive Linemen: (23) – Willie Anderson (T), Tony Boselli (T), Jeff Bostic ©, Lomas Brown (T), Jim Covert (T), Bill Fralic (G/T), Jay Hilgenberg ©, Chris Hinton (G/T), Kent Hull ©, Joe Jacoby (T), Jon Jansen (T), Mike Kenn (T), Jim Lachey (T), Kevin Mawae (C/G), Mark May (G/T/C),Tom Nalen ©, Nate Newton (G), Orlando Pace (T), Chris Samuels (T), Mark Schlereth (G), *Will Shields (G), Tra Thomas (T), Steve Wisniewski (G)

Defensive Linemen: (12) – Al “Bubba” Baker (DE), Jerome Brown (DT), Carl Hairston (DE/DT), *Charles Haley (also LB), Jevon Kearse (DE), Dexter Manley (DE), Charles Mann (DE), Steve McMichael (DT/NT), Fred Smerlas (NT), Greg Townsend (DE), Ted Washington (DT/NT), Bryant Young (DE)

Linebackers: (13) – Cornelius Bennett, Tedy Bruschi, *Kevin Greene (also DE), Ken Harvey, Clay Matthews, Willie McGinest (also DE), Karl Mecklenburg, Matt Millen, Sam Mills, Junior Seau, Chris Spielman, Darryl Talley, Zach Thomas

Defensive Backs: (16) – Eric Allen (CB), Steve Atwater (S), Joey Browner (S), LeRoy Butler (S), Thomas Everett (S), Rodney Harrison (S), Ty Law (CB), Albert Lewis (CB), *John Lynch (S), Terry McDaniel (CB), Tim McDonald (S), Frank Minnifield (CB), Shawn Springs (CB), Troy Vincent (CB/S), Everson Walls (CB), Darren Woodson (S)

Jamal Lewis is the youngest player to score a touchdown in a Super Bowl (21)?

Kickers/Punters: (5) – *Morten Andersen (K), Gary Anderson (K), Jason Elam (K), Sean Landeta (P), Nick Lowery (K)

Special Teams/Position Players: (2) – Brian Mitchell (RB/PR/KR), Steve Tasker (also WR)

Coaches: (14) –Don Coryell, Bill Cowher, *Tony Dungy, Tom Flores, Mike Holmgren, Jimmy Johnson, Chuck Knox, Buddy Parker, Richie Petitbon, Dan Reeves, Lou Saban, Marty Schottenheimer, Clark Shaughnessy, Dick Vermeil

- See more at: http://www.profootballhof.com/enshrinement/2014/9/16/modern-era-nominees-for-class-of-2015/#sthash.Pn6rHeyp.dpuf

@mohican said:

He could be in. He actually had a more productive career than running mate Gene Hickerson who was put in.

@columbusking said:

No, some of these guys have been waiting for 30 years, like Jim Hart and Mick Tinglehoff...and are still not in.

Ray Lewis

Brett Favre

Tom Brady

Drew Brees

Ladanian Tomlinson

Junior Seau

Marvin Harrison

Randy Moss

Ken Anderson

Terrell Owens

Brian Urlacher

Jeff Saturday

Julius Peppers

Jason Taylor

Reggie Wayne

Zack Thomas

Champ Bailey

Ronde Barber

Edgerrin James

Will Shields

Alan Faneca

Kevin Mawae

Ed Reed

Randall Cunningham

Phillip Rivers

Donovan McNabb

Charles Woodson

Boomer Esiason

Tim Brown

John Hadl

Steve Wisnewski

Drew Bledsoe

Tom Nalen

Ricky Waters

London Fletcher

Rod Smith

Isaac Bruce

Mick Tinglehoff

Brian Dawkins

Orlando Pace

Sam Mills

Tory Holt

Steve McNair

Isaiah Robertson

Richmond Webb

Steve McMichael

Pat Swilling

John Brodie

Tiki Barber

Rich Gannon

Jim Hart.

@the-gipper said:

Red are my choices for who will make it for almost certain.

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